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drummerboy
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

GoSlugs said:

Hopefully that will change some votes.

As for me, I am definitely voting against Trump (as opposed to for Biden).  Biden's actions have killed thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians.  I could never think of  him as anything but the lesser of two very evil Evils. His murderous policy is a stain that will never be erased.

LOL

So you're saying that without America's support, Netanyahu wouldn't have killed all of those Palestinians?

ridiculous. and so wrong.

don't get me wrong - I think our attitude towards Bibi should be far harsher. But to blame Biden for something he has zero control over is just dumb.

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max_weisenfeld
Discussion: Hot with Thunderstorms & Air Quality Alert Today 6/14/24

Friday June 14th

Happy Flag Day

Today, hot and sunny with thunderstorms this afternoon

Air Quality Alert for excessive ozone today, sensitive individuals should take precautions

Temps in the low 90⁰s. Thunderstorms possible after 2pm and likely from 5 - 8. Slight chance that a storm might be severe, with heavy rain and wind. Clearing after 8pm

Weekend will be clear dry and warm with Temps in the 80⁰s

By the middle of next week we could be looking at the first heatwave of the season, with Temps in the 90⁰s likely every day from Tuesday through Saturday

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ml1
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

it really gets tiresome arguing with people here who continue to insist the Trump campaign Russia investigation was a "hoax." It was not, and it never was, and the Mueller report made that clear.

These 11 Mueller Report Myths Just Won’t Die. Here’s Why They’re Wrong

Here's one example:

Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

and another:

Myth: The investigation began with the Steele dossier.

Response: According the Mueller report, the investigation began in July 2016 after Wikileaks had released materials stolen from the computers of the Democratic National Committee. The FBI received information from a foreign government that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos had told one of its representatives that “the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” Mueller’s report states, “That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.” Mueller makes no statement to indicate that the investigation was predicated on the Steele dossier, a series of reports that were compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who was hired by a research company that was working for a law firm paid first by a conservative website and later by the Clinton campaign.

I guess some people think by sheer repetition the myths will become true. Or maybe they are just trying to wear out anyone who will try to argue with them.

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ridski
Discussion: Twitter is a Private Company

Similarly, I thought of this thread when I saw this.



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— Bodega Cats (@bodegacats.bsky.social) Jun 10, 2024 at 12:51 PM
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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

jamie said:

nan said:

I'm just catching up to your many incendiary posts!  I watched this video and I'd put it in the same category as the one your brother posted about how Russians drink too much vodka.  These are social problems in Russia. As I said before-- Many countries have social problems and a f-d up justice system.  The free speech thing in Russia is hard to judge because some of the people who get arrested there (like Nalvalny) are actually working for NGOs and trying to start color revolutions which is treason.  Free speech does not protect treason in any country.  But, even if they are just kids who are influenced by the West and get covered by tattoos and say Bucha was not a false flag on social media it's really not our problem to solve.  We don't want to get rid of Putin because of these problems. 

We have lots of social problems here.  It does not mean some other country can take us over and impose their values.  It does not give NATO a free pass to surround Russia and to try to create instability and chaos. 

Has anyone spoken out against the Russian government that you have not labelled as working for an NGO?  Please provide this list.  Who is you prime example of someone able to freely speak within Russia who is completely independent?  Has there ever been one?  And as always - what is your "go to" independent press from within Russia?

I did think of someone!  Mark Sleboda.  He was an American but he now lives in Russia and is a Russian citizen (he married a Russian/Ukrainian).  I post his videos here sometimes. I like him.  Anyway, I watched a video recently where he was talking about how Putin keeps saying that Zelensky is no longer president because his term expired and according to the Ukrainian constitution, his term would not be extended, even under Martial law.  Putin went into detail about this so it was a big deal.

BUT, Mark Sleboda said Putin was just baiting Zelensky to rattle him and that Zelensky could still be President under Martial law.  OMG!!!!!  And Mark Seleboda still walks among us and makes videos!!!!  He's not in jail!!!!  How can that be?????  He went against Putin!!!!!  

"And I would argue instead that, well, Zelensky was never legitimate. The entire regime isn't legitimate, that they seized power in a push against the last legitimate democratically elected president of Ukraine back in 2014. Their sham elections have no legitimacy. They've banned every non-Maidan opposition party in the country, which is over 20 of them by my count."

https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/is-zelensky-still-the-legitimate (from the transcript)

Yeah, really speaking truth to power and confronting Russian propaganda there.

So Jamie, looks like your question is still open. 

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PVW
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

Morganna said:

PVW said:

I don't know if there is more, and more effective, pressure Biden could apply. Maybe there is, and if so then he should definitely be applying it. But if I understand you correctly, you seem to be arguing for a complete break. That wouldn't actually stop the war. It wouldn't help Palestinian civilians. It would endanger Israelis (and likely Jewish people worldwide). That seems a high price to pay for the moral victory of being able to say the U.S. was disassociated from what's happening in Gaza -- such a high price it seems it might be a net moral defeat instead.

I'm so glad that you are putting forth reasonable arguments. I gave up in previous threads and found it difficult to keep my emotions in check, which is one of the reasons I moved over to this thread not expecting the topic to reappear.

Thank you, but overall I just find the whole situation very depressing and tragic.

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drummerboy
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

It was a good name and I said that.  

You are practicing character assassinations here instead of providing actual examples.  Naeim's background is important because she has a brother who until yesterday was working in the Ukraine government.  That raises a red flag, in addition to what she is saying which ignores much history, facts and genuine issues.  

I had two major issues with the article.  I have not seen you debate either.  Instead you are doing what you did with the last article you posted which was so bad even you could not defend it.  

we often point out where your sources state things that are clearly incorrect, or where they are outright lying and clearly trying to deceive.

For some reason, those things don't seem to raise any red flags with you.

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Morganna
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

mtierney said:

might I suggest that some Biden supporters check out coverage of an event which took place in Washington yesterday. Please study the president’s posture and lack of expression, and tell me what you think.

Again, please watch the President  delivering his speech if you believe he is not up to the job. 

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DaveSchmidt
Discussion: Meet a Baseball Fan (Welcome to Anyone)

Congratulations to former Columbia High shortstop Eliot Dix and the University of North Carolina Tar Heels on reaching the College World Series.

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