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In February of 2014, Crimea was the legitimate territory of Ukraine. And Russia invaded and occupied it. It also sent troops into eastern Ukraine to stoke an insurgency.

You're free to explain why you feel Russia was justified in going to war against Ukraine, but let's be clear that this is what you're doing.

I did. He's a liar and those who believe him are dupes. Take, for instance, where he talks about WWII -- he conveniently skips over the fact that the war began, not with Germany attacking the USSR, but with the USSR and Germany allied and jointly attacking Poland. In the context of Ukraine, his talking about millions killed very pointedly skips over the millions killed by the USSR.

His speech is full of similar dishonest omissions and misdirections. It's a speech that relies on his audience's ignorance and credulity.

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 27, 2014.

nan said:

PVW said:

nan said:

PVW said:

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 27, 2014.

Ok, so you are talking about Crimea, which I'm guessing we have different opinions about, right?  

What is your view on this?

Go back through this thread. You'll see that I've consistently referred to Russia's actions of 2022 as an escalation of the war it began in 2014.

WHAT????  You are so Russophobic that I tend to glaze over your habit of blaming the Russians for everything.   You are saying the Russians began the war in 2014?  How?

By invading and occupying Ukrainian territory. Most people have no problem recognizing that as war.

nan said:

DaveSchmidt said:

To ask it another way: You wouldn’t make each and every one of those concessions, if you had to, in order to save all the lives that have been lost on both sides of the war?

Would you be OK with Russia or China overthrowing our government and installing a puppet?  Do you think it we should just be passive and accept that because someone might get hurt?  How would you feel if your country was taken over for the benefit of another country?

I remember when people thought Trump was a Russian puppet and they were pretty pissed off.  

Absolutely not.  If Russia or China attempted a coup using NGOs and their intelligence agencies, I think the only rational defense would be to invade Canada.

got the QB. It's been a good week :-)

mtierney said:

Meanwhile, back in another NYC courtroom, this is happening…

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/nyregion/jury-selection-menendez-trial.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk0.DT5n.Vti3R1DuVDuJ&smid=url-share

Gold bars were found, concealed into the lining of his suits — really?!

Let everyone know when you find a defense of Menendez in his current legal difficulties by a poster on MOL, or a local Democratic politician, or a NJ Democratic politician, or a national Democratic politician.

Morganna said:

I was a huge fan of Lenny Bruce. The freedom to use language without censorship was a big part of his point of view which I agree with. 

I saw a quote attributed to him, "Take away the right to say f---, and you take away the right to say f--- the government.

To me it has always been about freedom as a female. I'm just as put out be religions that require a dress code for women and most all do.

It's a favorite word of mine, but my mother would have completely agreed with you and would consider it unrefined. In her company or that of my conservative friends, I would give up a bit of my freedom. And if I were in your company, I would be willing to apply restraint. 

I'm sure that if you wore a shirt that said "f--- Joe Biden," she'd be willing to let it slide.

mtierney said:

@db…Sounds like a beautiful love story with a happy ending. 

Whatever path my daughters follow in life is fine with me.  What I don't really need to hear is a very well-paid man having no special qualifications beyond the ability to kick a ball preach to women about the path they should following in their lives.

Early QB today.

Missed ganglia and ligated yesterday.