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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 27, 2014.

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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

PVW said:

nan said:

PVW said:

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 27, 2014.

Ok, so you are talking about Crimea, which I'm guessing we have different opinions about, right?  

What is your view on this?

Go back through this thread. You'll see that I've consistently referred to Russia's actions of 2022 as an escalation of the war it began in 2014.

WHAT????  You are so Russophobic that I tend to glaze over your habit of blaming the Russians for everything.   You are saying the Russians began the war in 2014?  How?

By invading and occupying Ukrainian territory. Most people have no problem recognizing that as war.

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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

In February of 2014, Crimea was the legitimate territory of Ukraine. And Russia invaded and occupied it. It also sent troops into eastern Ukraine to stoke an insurgency.

You're free to explain why you feel Russia was justified in going to war against Ukraine, but let's be clear that this is what you're doing.

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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

I did. He's a liar and those who believe him are dupes. Take, for instance, where he talks about WWII -- he conveniently skips over the fact that the war began, not with Germany attacking the USSR, but with the USSR and Germany allied and jointly attacking Poland. In the context of Ukraine, his talking about millions killed very pointedly skips over the millions killed by the USSR.

His speech is full of similar dishonest omissions and misdirections. It's a speech that relies on his audience's ignorance and credulity.

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nohero
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

mtierney said:

Meanwhile, back in another NYC courtroom, this is happening…

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/nyregion/jury-selection-menendez-trial.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk0.DT5n.Vti3R1DuVDuJ&smid=url-share

Gold bars were found, concealed into the lining of his suits — really?!

Let everyone know when you find a defense of Menendez in his current legal difficulties by a poster on MOL, or a local Democratic politician, or a NJ Democratic politician, or a national Democratic politician.

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ml1
Discussion: The NYT Spelling Bee Thread

got the QB. It's been a good week :-)

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tjohn
Discussion: Pope Francis, Catholics, and Christians in the news worldwide

mtierney said:

@db…Sounds like a beautiful love story with a happy ending. 

Whatever path my daughters follow in life is fine with me.  What I don't really need to hear is a very well-paid man having no special qualifications beyond the ability to kick a ball preach to women about the path they should following in their lives.

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dave
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

nohero said:

DaveSchmidt said:

joanne said:

I’m not sure what our marsupials have to do with your political/judicial system?
wink

It’s a recycled cartoon from the 1950s, when everyone thought Menzies had the American vice president in his pocket.

Let's not jump to conclusions. 

oomph

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DaveSchmidt
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

Continued diplomacy is not the same as "don't do it," which is unacceptable.

I am actually skeptical that continued diplomacy would work, since many of the names/groups mentioned had already admitted they were not open to anything like that. This was from a year ago and since then I have heard Jeffrey Sachs complain about the lack of diplomacy for the groups he mentions.

Continued diplomacy, rather than surrender to Nazis, NGOs and border warheads, was always the obvious alternative to “Do it.”

Alas, a military invasion makes diplomacy more difficult. I’m hoping you can understand that without needing to hear it from Jeffrey Sachs first.

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marksierra
Discussion: Inconsequential Chat

Came upon these just recently:

Songs of disappearance - Australian Bird Calls.

In this ARIA chart-topping recording of pure birdsong you can hear 53 of our most threatened species:

(ARIA is the Australian Recording Industry Association.  Aussie version of the Grammy Awards.)

https://youtu.be/c2M0H9Z1HuQ


Aussie Birds and their calls

https://youtu.be/vhlE13EqjJk


Australia's most common birds

https://youtu.be/T5UEwzp2bWs

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