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DaveSchmidt
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

You laugh now. You won't laugh later.

I wasn’t laughing. There’s nothing funny about an advocate of preventive war’s efforts to incite alarm.

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max_weisenfeld
Discussion: Hot with Thunderstorms & Air Quality Alert Today 6/14/24

Friday June 14th

Happy Flag Day

Today, hot and sunny with thunderstorms this afternoon

Air Quality Alert for excessive ozone today, sensitive individuals should take precautions

Temps in the low 90⁰s. Thunderstorms possible after 2pm and likely from 5 - 8. Slight chance that a storm might be severe, with heavy rain and wind. Clearing after 8pm

Weekend will be clear dry and warm with Temps in the 80⁰s

By the middle of next week we could be looking at the first heatwave of the season, with Temps in the 90⁰s likely every day from Tuesday through Saturday

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...AIR QUALITY ALERT IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM THIS MORNING TO 11 PM EDT

THIS EVENING...

The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection has issued an

Air Quality Action Day for the following counties:

Bergen, Passaic, Hudson, Essex, and Union,

from 11 AM to 11 PM EDT Friday.

An Air Quality Action Day means that Ground Level Ozone within the

region may approach or exceed unhealthy standards.

For additional information, please visit the New Jersey Department

of Environmental Protection Web site at http://www.njaqinow.net

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max_weisenfeld
Discussion: HEAT WAVE

June 17th, 2024

Heat Wave

The NWS has issued a Heat Advisory starting Tuesday for our area. Excessive heat should continue through at least Friday.

Today, warm, clear, and dry with a high in the upper 80s.

Tuesday through Friday, a building upper ridge will drive daytime temperatures into the low to mid 90⁰s each day. A southern wind will bring some humidity, and take the heat index ("feels like temperature") to the mid to upper 90⁰s. The same southern breeze will keep the nighttime lows in the upper 60⁰s or 70⁰s here in MAPSO.

Warm weather could continue through the weekend and into next week, although a cold front might bring some relief over the weekend (along with showers).

A heat wave is defined as heat index temperatures over 95⁰ for three or more days (this definition is location specific a heat wave in Texas is hotter than one in Maine. The use of the heat index takes humidity into account).

I expect that, in New Jersey, will will come close or break some June heat records this week. Please be mindful of the heat. Stay cool. Stay in the shade, and indoors during the midday heat. Check on the elderly and disabled, check on your neighbors. Drink plenty of fluids.

Because of the sea breeze, temperatures will be hotter in MAPSO than in the city, and likely hotter here than at the airport. Most apps report the airport temperature, so if your local thermometer says 97⁰ and the app says 92⁰, believe your thermometer not the app.

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jamie
Discussion: What series should I watch next?

If anyone missed Your Honor with Bryan Cranston on HBO - it's on Netflix now.

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Jaytee
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

I blame Rupert Murdoch, publisher of lies who has poisoned and divided the world against itself, is intentionally publishing falsehoods about President Biden. Yet nothing about Trump's very public mental decline. Murdoch is the same man who helped sell a lie to promote the Iraq war based on false pretexts. He even publicly undermined vaccines while racing ahead of everyone else to get his, yeah I blame him for the mess we’re in. He should be deported. He’s a threat to our national security.

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ml1
Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

Smedley said:

I don't think I read it. I don't subscribe to WSJ, I mostly only read what's copy/pasted here. 

maybe you should read it before you conclude an article based on it is "spot-on", don't you think?

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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

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nan said:

Not after they saw the agreement.  They did do some sanctions (not like cutting off SWIFT).  But, in general they were OK with Ukraine joining the EU (even NATO stated that), but they did not like that agreement--it caused some alarm.  They talked to Ukraine and explained why they did not like the offer and what it might mean for Ukraine and they offered a better counterdeal than previous.  

They offered a deal, with the threat of further sanctions if they didn't agree. And when Ukrainians took to the streets, Russia prepared a military response.

This line -- "they did not like that agreement" -- gives the game away. WTF does it matter if Russia liked the deal or not? Oh, right -- because Russia believes itself entitled to control Ukraine. That's what this is about. It's always been what this is about.

Where is the evidence of a military response? Russia was fine with Ukraine joining the EU--but this agreement was not even offering EU membership--it was just going to strain the good relations between Russia and Ukraine.   Russia was right to be concerned about this agreement because they could see down the road that it could lead to huge problems. Better to deal with them right from the get go.  They had meetings about this--because they had good relations and they could deal diplomatically.  If Russia was working with Mexico on an agreement that would interfere with our relations with Mexico we would be all over that.  We would be saying, "I would not do that if I were you" and we would sanction the hell out of them because if we don't issue 1000 sanctions a day we feel like we have not done our job. 

I guess you're on the record now for supporting the U.S. sanctioning countries for making diplomatic agreements they dislike. Afraid I can't get on that boat with you.

Then you really agree with me.  Ha!

No, I don't -- you are saying Russia had a right to tell Ukraine what kinds of trade agreements it could engage it. I disagree with such a colonial attitude.

Russia let Ukraine make their decision--they had strong opinions and they made sure Ukraine heard these opinions loud and clear.  Very loud and clear. They also upped their offering as people do in reasonable negotiations. 

It was the US who felt they had a right to tell Ukraine about what kind of trade agreements it could engage with when they overthrew their government.  

You keep saying "the U.S." Did the U.S. install Ukraine's legislators? No. Did the U.S. send armed men to hold legislators hostage? No. This is where your theory falls apart -- you can't explain how a vote in parliament is an act by the U.S.

Sure, you can allege pressure if you like, but here in this very post you are saying that pressure is just a legitimate way for a big country to express its opinions -- if Russia can play good cop/bad cop by threatening crippling sanctions or offering money, then what is your basis for saying that Victoria Nuland providing sandwiches and being able to name members of the Rada is a coup? Ukraine's legislators voted, Russia's gunmen attacked. Only one of these fits the normal person's definition of a coup.

After the coup, the US put together the government. They have held sway over every government since, even if elected.  

There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion, even a strong opinion.  Russia was not threatening crippling sanctions--they were just annoying the crap out of them.  Of course they can offer money--that's what people do in negotiations.  When you are bidding on a house you sometimes get into a bidding war.  This is normal. 

Not normal to overthrow a government and install a new one.  The coup was backed by the US and carried out by the far-right. You can deny it but it's right there to see.  The far-right was shooting people.  They are the ones who pushed it over the edge. Russia was not involved.   

Again, the "overthrow" was a vote in the legislature. You keep ignoring this. How, exactly, did the U.S. force the legislature to vote a certain way?

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PVW
Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

PVW said:

tl;dr -- if nothing else, you should be specific about which deal you believe Ukraine walked away from -- the one represented by the March 28 draft, of the one by the April 15 draft.

Ok, so now I know what you seem to be up to. You can't deny Johnson killed the peace deal so now you will go through it and say it was good he did that because it was not a good deal.  War was better.  

Good luck with that. 

By the way they tried to use that "Russia is a colonizer" line at Zelensky's "Peace Summit"  Ha!  One of the the guys on the Duran mentioned it, he had not heard it before, and said "Might be the biggest case of projection in history"  I think it was in his Clown world segment. 

Here on MOL we get  the latest propaganda even before the Duran!!!  We are so cool!

No. Your claim that Johnson killed the deal makes no sense if it was a deal Ukraine would never accept. Why are you so opposed to actually looking at the proposed deal? You seem to prefer theory over evidence.

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ml1
Discussion: The NYT Spelling Bee Thread

Got QB again today. Couple of weird words I took a flyer on. 

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