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Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

GoSlugs said:

Hopefully that will change some votes.

As for me, I am definitely voting against Trump (as opposed to for Biden).  Biden's actions have killed thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians.  I could never think of  him as anything but the lesser of two very evil Evils. His murderous policy is a stain that will never be erased.

So you're saying that without America's support, Netanyahu wouldn't have killed all of those Palestinians?

ridiculous. and so wrong.

don't get me wrong - I think our attitude towards Bibi should be far harsher. But to blame Biden for something he has zero control over is just dumb.

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Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

it really gets tiresome arguing with people here who continue to insist the Trump campaign Russia investigation was a "hoax." It was not, and it never was, and the Mueller report made that clear.

These 11 Mueller Report Myths Just Won’t Die. Here’s Why They’re Wrong

Here's one example:

Myth: Mueller found “no collusion.”

Response: Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

and another:

Myth: The investigation began with the Steele dossier.

Response: According the Mueller report, the investigation began in July 2016 after Wikileaks had released materials stolen from the computers of the Democratic National Committee. The FBI received information from a foreign government that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos had told one of its representatives that “the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” Mueller’s report states, “That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.” Mueller makes no statement to indicate that the investigation was predicated on the Steele dossier, a series of reports that were compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who was hired by a research company that was working for a law firm paid first by a conservative website and later by the Clinton campaign.

I guess some people think by sheer repetition the myths will become true. Or maybe they are just trying to wear out anyone who will try to argue with them.

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Discussion: Twitter is a Private Company

Similarly, I thought of this thread when I saw this.

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— Bodega Cats (@bodegacats.bsky.social) Jun 10, 2024 at 12:51 PM

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Discussion: Inconsequential Chat

 

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Discussion: Hot with Thunderstorms & Air Quality Alert Today 6/14/24

Friday June 14th

Happy Flag Day

Today, hot and sunny with thunderstorms this afternoon

Air Quality Alert for excessive ozone today, sensitive individuals should take precautions

Temps in the low 90⁰s. Thunderstorms possible after 2pm and likely from 5 - 8. Slight chance that a storm might be severe, with heavy rain and wind. Clearing after 8pm

Weekend will be clear dry and warm with Temps in the 80⁰s

By the middle of next week we could be looking at the first heatwave of the season, with Temps in the 90⁰s likely every day from Tuesday through Saturday

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...AIR QUALITY ALERT IN EFFECT FROM 11 AM THIS MORNING TO 11 PM EDT

THIS EVENING...

The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection has issued an

Air Quality Action Day for the following counties:

Bergen, Passaic, Hudson, Essex, and Union,

from 11 AM to 11 PM EDT Friday.

An Air Quality Action Day means that Ground Level Ozone within the

region may approach or exceed unhealthy standards.

For additional information, please visit the New Jersey Department

of Environmental Protection Web site at http://www.njaqinow.net

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Discussion: Maplewoodstock 2024

Maplewoodstock will once again provide onstage interpretation in American Sign Language for the entire event -- offering access for all Deaf audience members and those who use ASL to communicate. If you need to see the sign language interpreters, please look for the "Deaf Area" signs that delineate the access area at the front right of the audience near the stage.

We thank these interpreters for their volunteerism to continue to evolve this free, two-day festival of Music and Arts, open-armed to all.

You can read more about our Disability Inclusion efforts on our website at https://maplewoodstock.com/about/accessibility

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Discussion: What does Putin want (and whatabout it)

nan said:

PVW said:

nan said:

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nan said:

Not after they saw the agreement.  They did do some sanctions (not like cutting off SWIFT).  But, in general they were OK with Ukraine joining the EU (even NATO stated that), but they did not like that agreement--it caused some alarm.  They talked to Ukraine and explained why they did not like the offer and what it might mean for Ukraine and they offered a better counterdeal than previous.  

They offered a deal, with the threat of further sanctions if they didn't agree. And when Ukrainians took to the streets, Russia prepared a military response.

This line -- "they did not like that agreement" -- gives the game away. WTF does it matter if Russia liked the deal or not? Oh, right -- because Russia believes itself entitled to control Ukraine. That's what this is about. It's always been what this is about.

Where is the evidence of a military response?

Um, Russia invaded Crimea?

They invaded Crimea after the 2014 coup.  We were talking about before the coup when Ukraine still had sovereignty.

Ukraine's elected legislature voted to remove Yanukovych on Feb 22. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb 27. It takes more than a few days to plan for and prepare a major military operation -- obviously Russia had already prepped for military action against Ukraine prior to Feb 22.

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Discussion: The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

Smedley said:

We shall see. Wake me when there's a material poll movement in the battleground states, which will decide the election and which Biden is currently in danger of being swept.

are you sure you want to be woke?

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Discussion: Inconsequential Chat

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Discussion: The NYT Spelling Bee Thread

Early QB for me too. Good day to go for it. 

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