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nan said:

DaveSchmidt said:

To ask it another way: You wouldn’t make each and every one of those concessions, if you had to, in order to save all the lives that have been lost on both sides of the war?

Would you be OK with Russia or China overthrowing our government and installing a puppet?  Do you think it we should just be passive and accept that because someone might get hurt?  How would you feel if your country was taken over for the benefit of another country?

I remember when people thought Trump was a Russian puppet and they were pretty pissed off.  

Absolutely not.  If Russia or China attempted a coup using NGOs and their intelligence agencies, I think the only rational defense would be to invade Canada.

got the QB. It's been a good week :-)

mtierney said:

Meanwhile, back in another NYC courtroom, this is happening…

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/nyregion/jury-selection-menendez-trial.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk0.DT5n.Vti3R1DuVDuJ&smid=url-share

Gold bars were found, concealed into the lining of his suits — really?!

Let everyone know when you find a defense of Menendez in his current legal difficulties by a poster on MOL, or a local Democratic politician, or a NJ Democratic politician, or a national Democratic politician.

I did. He's a liar and those who believe him are dupes. Take, for instance, where he talks about WWII -- he conveniently skips over the fact that the war began, not with Germany attacking the USSR, but with the USSR and Germany allied and jointly attacking Poland. In the context of Ukraine, his talking about millions killed very pointedly skips over the millions killed by the USSR.

His speech is full of similar dishonest omissions and misdirections. It's a speech that relies on his audience's ignorance and credulity.

got the QB with the hints today. Did not need the Buddy however.

As PVW has noted, even if we accept all of Nan's claims about U.S. actions in Ukraine (she has conveniently established that these need not be factual), it still does not justify Putin's War.

Rock on!!

nan said:

Facts don't always tell the whole story.   Sometimes the whole story makes the facts irrelevant. 

Jamie,

Can I make this my signature line for every post I make?

nan said:

tjohn said:

nan said:

They did not have enough men to take Kyiv.  It was a diversion.  They left as a good will gesture after the peace talks--which then broke down.  Of course western media turned it into huge cinematic deal. 

It's hard to decide which of Nan's ideas are the most bizarre, but this one is up there.

Not as bizarre as Putin thinking he could take the city of Kyiv with the number of troops he had surrounding the city at the time. 

Weren't you the person who suggested we all reference the Institute for the Study of War for "real" information?

Make sure you read the article I posted about their funding and biases. It might just surprise you.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/russia-ukraine-war-isw/

Considering that the attack on Kyiv, if successful, would very likely have given Putin the quick win he wanted, I don't believe for a minute that it was a unserious diversion.  Secondly, while I can think of many cases of military operations intended to be diversions from main thrust, I am hard-pressed to think of any that were not expected to succeed.

The most obvious explanation for the failure of the attack on Kiev is that it failed for operational reasons - in other words, the Russians didn't have the skills to pull off a large, fast-moving combined arms operation.  And that is not a criticism of Russia, really. Very few armies can manage large operations without a huge amount of practice.  The German Army of WW II is really the only army I can think of that managed large scale operations well from the beginning.

joanne said:

No-one’s mentioned the Hannibal Lecter stuff: is that another thing not reported over there??? 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/12/trump-rally-speech-hannibal-lecter

Creepy

Jaytee said:

trump claims his rally in wildwood drew more people than a Bruce Springsteen concert… I guess you believe that too. 

there's just too much of his antics. we can't mention everything.