The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns

dave said:

I agree it is not a dubious source, so in that I'm wrong; but it is a right-center news and opinion aggregator and the op-ed piece you posted contains an easily disproven but often repeated lie. 

you're not wrong. RCP is all over the place in their reporting. sometimes they're ok, too many times they're not. they've gotten worse over the years.

"dubious" is a mild characterization.

of course, the ultimate dubious source in this thread is mt.


Biden seems fond of “dubious sources” his memory for one. No comment here when this was posted recently…From the NYT

Papua New Guinea Leader Criticizes Biden’s ‘Cannibals’ Comment

Twice last week, President Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals there after his plane went down off the New Guinea coast during World War II.

    President Biden looks down with his hands held in front of him. Biden-Harris campaign signs are in the background.
    President Biden during a campaign event in Philadelphia last week. Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
    Nicholas Nehamas

    By Nicholas Nehamas

    • April 22, 2024

    Prime Minister James Marape of Papua New Guinea has hit back at President Biden’s suggestion that his uncle, a U.S. serviceman whose plane went down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of New Guinea during World War II, had been eaten by cannibals there.

    “President Biden’s remarks may have been a slip of the tongue; however, my country does not deserve to be labeled as such,” Mr. Marape said in a statement provided to news organizations including The Associated Press and Reuters.

    Twice last week, Mr. Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals.

    “He got shot down in New Guinea, and they never found the body because there used to be — there were a lot of cannibals, for real, in that part of New Guinea,” Mr. Biden said of his uncle during an address on steel and aluminum tariffs in Pittsburgh on Wednesday.

    Papua New Guinea has become an important strategic partner of the United States in the region. Mr. Marape has twice visited the White House. His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

    Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records. Ambrose Finnegan, a brother of Mr. Biden’s mother, was a passenger in an aircraft that “for unknown reasons” had to ditch in the Pacific Ocean off the northern coast of New Guinea on May 14, 1944, according to the Pentagon’s Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency. Both of the plane’s engines failed at low altitude. There is no indication the aircraft was shot down.

    Mr. Finnegan and two other men “failed to emerge from the sinking wreck and were lost in the crash,” the Pentagon records state. “One crew member survived and was rescued by a passing barge. An aerial search the next day found no trace of the missing aircraft or the lost crew members.”

    Mr. Biden made a similar suggestion that his uncle had been cannibalized when he visited a war memorial bearing Mr. Finnegan’s name in his childhood hometown, Scranton, part of a three-day campaign swing through the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

    Mr. Biden’s comments were made in the context of criticizing Donald J. Trump for remarks the former president is said to have made calling Americans killed in combat “suckers” and “losers.” (Mr. Trump has denied saying that.)

    "President Biden is proud of his uncle’s service in uniform, who lost his life when the military aircraft he was on crashed in the Pacific after taking off near New Guinea,” Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said in a statement, adding that the president highlighted his uncle’s story to make the case for honoring what Mr. Biden has called a sacred obligation “to equip those we send to war and take care of them and their families when they come home.”

    Mr. Bates did not address the president’s misstatements about the circumstances of his uncle’s death or the response from Mr. Marape.

    In his statement, the prime minister also called on the United States to clean up war matériel and properly handle human remains still in the region from World War II.

    “The theaters of war in PNG and Solomon Islands are many, and littered with the remains of WWII including human remains, plane wrecks, ship wrecks, tunnels and bombs,” Mr. Marape said. “Our people daily live with the fear of being killed by detonated bombs of WWII,” he added.


    There's a lot of misremembering going around lately.

    Biden misremembers the story about his uncle who died in WWII.

    Trump misremembers that he had sex with a porn actress while his wife was pregnant.


    mtierney said:

    Biden seems fond of “dubious sources” his memory for one. No comment here when this was posted recently…From the NYT


    maybe there was no comment because it doesn't **** matter to anything at all.

    where were your comments when the Washington Post listed 30,000 lies, mis-statements, exaggerations and plain old ****  that Trump said during his years as Prez?

    That mattered.

    eta: it appears I have Tuesday potty-mouth. excuse me.


    drummerboy said:

    maybe there was no comment because it doesn't **** matter to anything at all.

    where were your comments when the Washington Post listed 30,000 lies, mis-statements, exaggerations and plain old ****  that Trump said during his years as Prez?

    That mattered.

    eta: it appears I have Tuesday potty-mouth. excuse me.

    taco Tuesday 


    But cannibalism was practiced in Papua New Guinea up until the 1950’s. Biden’s statement is possibly true, but it’s the generalization that offended some people. Head hunting was a real thing. I’m surprised someone who’s well educated didn’t know that.


    Jaytee said:

    But cannibalism was practiced in Papua New Guinea up until the 1950’s. Biden’s statement is possibly true, but it’s the generalization that offended some people. Head hunting was a real thing. I’m surprised someone who’s well educated didn’t know that.

    I believe the gist of the background to the story was that it was practiced, but those practiced it were picky and wouldn't have done that to an outsider.


    mtierney said:

    Biden seems fond of “dubious sources” his memory for one. No comment here when this was posted recently…From the NYT

    Papua New Guinea Leader Criticizes Biden’s ‘Cannibals’ Comment

    Twice last week, President Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals there after his plane went down off the New Guinea coast during World War II.

      President Biden looks down with his hands held in front of him. Biden-Harris campaign signs are in the background.
      President Biden during a campaign event in Philadelphia last week. Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
      Nicholas Nehamas

      By Nicholas Nehamas

      • April 22, 2024

      Prime Minister James Marape of Papua New Guinea has hit back at President Biden’s suggestion that his uncle, a U.S. serviceman whose plane went down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of New Guinea during World War II, had been eaten by cannibals there.

      “President Biden’s remarks may have been a slip of the tongue; however, my country does not deserve to be labeled as such,” Mr. Marape said in a statement provided to news organizations including The Associated Press and Reuters.

      Twice last week, Mr. Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals.

      “He got shot down in New Guinea, and they never found the body because there used to be — there were a lot of cannibals, for real, in that part of New Guinea,” Mr. Biden said of his uncle during an address on steel and aluminum tariffs in Pittsburgh on Wednesday.

      Papua New Guinea has become an important strategic partner of the United States in the region. Mr. Marape has twice visited the White House. His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

      Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records. Ambrose Finnegan, a brother of Mr. Biden’s mother, was a passenger in an aircraft that “for unknown reasons” had to ditch in the Pacific Ocean off the northern coast of New Guinea on May 14, 1944, according to the Pentagon’s Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency. Both of the plane’s engines failed at low altitude. There is no indication the aircraft was shot down.

      Mr. Finnegan and two other men “failed to emerge from the sinking wreck and were lost in the crash,” the Pentagon records state. “One crew member survived and was rescued by a passing barge. An aerial search the next day found no trace of the missing aircraft or the lost crew members.”

      Mr. Biden made a similar suggestion that his uncle had been cannibalized when he visited a war memorial bearing Mr. Finnegan’s name in his childhood hometown, Scranton, part of a three-day campaign swing through the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

      Mr. Biden’s comments were made in the context of criticizing Donald J. Trump for remarks the former president is said to have made calling Americans killed in combat “suckers” and “losers.” (Mr. Trump has denied saying that.)

      "President Biden is proud of his uncle’s service in uniform, who lost his life when the military aircraft he was on crashed in the Pacific after taking off near New Guinea,” Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said in a statement, adding that the president highlighted his uncle’s story to make the case for honoring what Mr. Biden has called a sacred obligation “to equip those we send to war and take care of them and their families when they come home.”

      Mr. Bates did not address the president’s misstatements about the circumstances of his uncle’s death or the response from Mr. Marape.

      In his statement, the prime minister also called on the United States to clean up war matériel and properly handle human remains still in the region from World War II.

      “The theaters of war in PNG and Solomon Islands are many, and littered with the remains of WWII including human remains, plane wrecks, ship wrecks, tunnels and bombs,” Mr. Marape said. “Our people daily live with the fear of being killed by detonated bombs of WWII,” he added.

      As others have noted, someone who professes to be a follower of the Christian faith might be aware of the unfortunate experience of some Christian missionaries (such as Stan Dale and Phil Masters) in New Guinea as late as the 1960s.  Of course, the existence of tribes in New Guinea that considered sometimes eating human flesh not only necesssary for sustinence but also as a spiritual act isn't conclusive evidence that Biden's uncle suffered that fate...but it certainly would have been a possibility.

      https://www.christianpost.com/news/former-cannibal-tribe-receives-bibles-in-their-own-language.html

      https://believersportal.com/tribe-that-formerly-practiced-cannibalism-and-killed-missionaries-finally-turns-to-god/

      https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/06/482952588/when-people-ate-people-a-strange-disease-emerged


      ridski said:

      I believe the gist of the background to the story was that it was practiced, but those practiced it were picky and wouldn't have done that to an outsider.

      They ate the brains of their enemies. 

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/29-members-of-alleged-cannibal-cult-arrested-in-papua-new-guinea/



      Jaytee said:

      But cannibalism was practiced in Papua New Guinea up until the 1950’s. Biden’s statement is possibly true, but it’s the generalization that offended some people. Head hunting was a real thing. I’m surprised someone who’s well educated didn’t know that.

      obviously you didn’t read the part that disputes Biden’s theory that his uncle’s plane had crashed on New Guinea. The government records indicate the plane crashed into the Ocean — and was  not even shot down. There was a survivor. 

      Uncle Joe, the family storyteller, entertaining kids with tales of cannibalism is one thing, but POTUS telling the voters a big fat lie — on two occasions— indicates something else altogether!


      mtierney said:

      obviously you didn’t read the part that disputes Biden’s theory that his uncle’s plane had crashed on New Guinea. The government records indicate the plane crashed into the Ocean — and was  not even shot down. There was a survivor. 

      Uncle Joe, the family storyteller, entertaining kids with tales of cannibalism is one thing, but POTUS telling the voters a big fat lie — on two occasions— indicates something else altogether!

      Two occasions! Pass my smelling salts, Hudson, I may just faint!

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/


      ridski said:

      Two occasions! Pass my smelling salts, Hudson, I may just faint!

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

      who was it who said “comparisons are odious?” 

      Before you research it..

      “The earliest recorded use of this phrase appears to be by John Lydgate in his Debate between the horse, goose, and sheep, circa 1440:

      "Odyous of olde been comparisonis, And of comparisonis engendyrd is haterede."

      “It was used by several authors later, notably Cervantes, Christopher Marlowe and John Donne.

      “In Much Ado About Nothing, Shakespeare gave Dogberry the line 'comparisons are odorous'. It seems that he was using this ironically, knowing it to be a misuse of what would have been a well known phrase by 1599 when the play was written.”

      Taking a long hard,  open-minded view of Biden — as a stand-alone politician — along with the heiress in waiting who is very much disliked — the best thing would be for Biden accepting a storytelling elder statesman role. Going forward, the ugly plan to impeach him, his son’s tawdry criminal trial, offers a bleak look for the Democratic Party heading to November.

      Until Trump names a running mate who captures the voters of America, Trump’s being prevented from campaigning by lawfare makes him a “victim of a plot” rather than a failed candidate.









      ridski said:

      mtierney said:

      obviously you didn’t read the part that disputes Biden’s theory that his uncle’s plane had crashed on New Guinea. The government records indicate the plane crashed into the Ocean — and was  not even shot down. There was a survivor. 

      Uncle Joe, the family storyteller, entertaining kids with tales of cannibalism is one thing, but POTUS telling the voters a big fat lie — on two occasions— indicates something else altogether!

      Two occasions! Pass my smelling salts, Hudson, I may just faint!

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

      If Biden made "Cannibals ate my uncle!" one of his campaign themes, then we should worry.

      In the meantime, Trump has made "People from Mexico and Central America are murderers and rapists!" one of his campaign themes, and that's much more important to focus on.

      mtierney said:

      Until Trump names a running mate who captures the voters of America, Trump’s being prevented from campaigning by lawfare makes him a “victim of a plot” rather than a failed candidate.

      Holding someone legally accountable is called "justice", it's uninformed to use a word like "lawfare" in this instance.


      “I’m 6 foot 3 inches….215 pounds… all muscle” no fat. But I’ve told thousands of big fat lies all my life…


      On the topic of homelessness and the right to live  on the street (question currently before the SCOTUS) there is this story about the home invasion at the LA mayor’s “mansion” — second time — which is equipped with a safe room. The have and not have question is as old as time. How to deal with lawlessness — the college campus debacles ongoing are examples — needs thoughtful responses to secure the safety of all citizens. Any constructive suggestions — other than to kill the messenger that is?


      Suspect arrested after breaking into Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass' home

      By Dean Fioresi

      Updated on: April 22, 2024 / 4:58 PM PDT / KCAL News

      A person was taken into custody after allegedly breaking into Getty House, home of Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, early Sunday morning.

      screenshot-2024-04-21-at-4-02-32-pm.png
      Aerial look at Getty House, with LAPD officers stationed outside after an early morning break-in. KCAL NEWS

      Police say that an unidentified man smashed one of the home's glass doors to gain entry a little before 7 a.m. before they were taken into custody without further incident.

      It's unclear exactly how long the person was inside but police say that the mayor and her family were home at the time of the break-in.

      "At some point the individual made his way through the house, an alarm was activated by the residents in location, officers from our Olympic Station responded and they managed to take the suspect into custody without incident," said LAPD Lieutenant James Mylonakis.

      The motive for the incident remains under investigation by LAPD Robbery and Homicide Unit detectives.



      At the time I mentioned several international media sources that disputed the President’s anecdote and highlighted Papua Nui Guinea’s displeasure. I mentioned my cousins working in the Cannibals’ territory’ in the 1970s. I also mentioned there were very strict traditions around cannibalism.
      As usual, comment overlooked, despite USA needing to enrol PNG’s friendship right now because China is wooing it.


      PS:  look up the KOKODA TRAIL, and ANZACS IN PNG which will be commemorated on 25th inst. 

      mtierney said:

      Biden seems fond of “dubious sources” his memory for one. No comment here when this was posted recently…From the NYT

      Papua New Guinea Leader Criticizes Biden’s ‘Cannibals’ Comment

      Twice last week, President Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals there after his plane went down off the New Guinea coast during World War II.

        President Biden looks down with his hands held in front of him. Biden-Harris campaign signs are in the background.
        President Biden during a campaign event in Philadelphia last week. Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
        Nicholas Nehamas

        By Nicholas Nehamas

        • April 22, 2024

        Prime Minister James Marape of Papua New Guinea has hit back at President Biden’s suggestion that his uncle, a U.S. serviceman whose plane went down in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of New Guinea during World War II, had been eaten by cannibals there.

        “President Biden’s remarks may have been a slip of the tongue; however, my country does not deserve to be labeled as such,” Mr. Marape said in a statement provided to news organizations including The Associated Press and Reuters.

        Twice last week, Mr. Biden suggested without evidence that his uncle had been eaten by cannibals.

        “He got shot down in New Guinea, and they never found the body because there used to be — there were a lot of cannibals, for real, in that part of New Guinea,” Mr. Biden said of his uncle during an address on steel and aluminum tariffs in Pittsburgh on Wednesday.

        Papua New Guinea has become an important strategic partner of the United States in the region. Mr. Marape has twice visited the White House. His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

        Mr. Biden’s description of his uncle’s death does not match military records. Ambrose Finnegan, a brother of Mr. Biden’s mother, was a passenger in an aircraft that “for unknown reasons” had to ditch in the Pacific Ocean off the northern coast of New Guinea on May 14, 1944, according to the Pentagon’s Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency. Both of the plane’s engines failed at low altitude. There is no indication the aircraft was shot down.

        Mr. Finnegan and two other men “failed to emerge from the sinking wreck and were lost in the crash,” the Pentagon records state. “One crew member survived and was rescued by a passing barge. An aerial search the next day found no trace of the missing aircraft or the lost crew members.”

        Mr. Biden made a similar suggestion that his uncle had been cannibalized when he visited a war memorial bearing Mr. Finnegan’s name in his childhood hometown, Scranton, part of a three-day campaign swing through the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

        Mr. Biden’s comments were made in the context of criticizing Donald J. Trump for remarks the former president is said to have made calling Americans killed in combat “suckers” and “losers.” (Mr. Trump has denied saying that.)

        "President Biden is proud of his uncle’s service in uniform, who lost his life when the military aircraft he was on crashed in the Pacific after taking off near New Guinea,” Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said in a statement, adding that the president highlighted his uncle’s story to make the case for honoring what Mr. Biden has called a sacred obligation “to equip those we send to war and take care of them and their families when they come home.”

        Mr. Bates did not address the president’s misstatements about the circumstances of his uncle’s death or the response from Mr. Marape.

        In his statement, the prime minister also called on the United States to clean up war matériel and properly handle human remains still in the region from World War II.

        “The theaters of war in PNG and Solomon Islands are many, and littered with the remains of WWII including human remains, plane wrecks, ship wrecks, tunnels and bombs,” Mr. Marape said. “Our people daily live with the fear of being killed by detonated bombs of WWII,” he added.


        so much for this Democrat-in-waiting, the CA governor, failing on the local level….

        From the Wall Street Journal today…

          What Ever Happened to Gavin Newsom?

          He was a rising star a few months ago, but bad governance and the phony factor caught up to him.

          By Kenneth L. Khachigian

          Gavin Newsom speaks at an event in San Francisco, Nov. 9, 2023. PHOTO: JEFF CHIU/ASSOCIATED PRESS

          ‘Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?” If Simon & Garfunkel were political pundits they might ask: Where have you gone, Gavin Newsom? When Joe Biden’s stumbling, mumbling fortunes seemed to slip away, the left crowned Mr. Newsom as the obvious heir to the throne. It was near impossible to click on a link or touch the remote without seeing him romp across America, preaching California’s acceptance of abortion or flying off to China to shake hands with Xi Jinping.

          But Mr. Newsom never knew where to draw the line on primping. When he hired a portrait photographer to accompany him to China and take pictures of him at the Great Wall, even the left-leaning Politico magazine couldn’t refrain from lampooning his portrait, as he attempted to look presidential at a faux Asian summit.

          The staged visit exposed the governor’s most fatal political flaw—his lack of authenticity. That phony factor is one he can’t escape and was summarized in a recent exposé by the nonprofit news organization CalMatters: “Governor Newsom has long touted his baseball career, including that he played at Santa Clara University. But he was never on the roster, among other misperceptions of his accomplishments. Newsom hasn’t corrected his record.”

          Embellishments like that, along with more serious ones such as traveling to Florida to claim that the Golden State is a low-tax paradise, are the type of political fumbles that have upended Mr. Newsom’s hopes for higher office. But those misadventures are peanuts compared with the damage from his governing policies, which fracture the finances and stability of California.

          The fanciful bullet train project he inherited from his predecessors is now an anchor around Mr. Newsom’s neck, as it has grown from its initially budgeted $33 billion in 2008 to upward of $100 billion, just for the starter line, because of overspending and mismanagement. Mr. Newsom’s current statewide budget shortfall ranges from his wishful-thinking $38 billion to a more realistic $73 billion, and the state auditor reports that California didn’t sufficiently track outcomes of nearly $24 billion spent on homelessness in the last five fiscal years.

          Statewide polls by the Institute of Intergovernmental Studies at the University of California, Berkeley show the governor’s approval ratings are south of 50%, and nearly 6 out of 10 Californians believe the state is headed in the wrong direction. His political reputation was put to the test on the March ballot, where he pushed forward a $6 billion bond measure for more homeless spending. The measure passed by a margin of less than 0.5% of the vote.

          The governor, a San Francisco elitist groomed by Willie Brown and Nancy Pelosi for stardom, is flat-lining. Despite Mr. Biden’s baggage of high inflation, open borders and tongue twisting, the president has a second wind as his opponent is stuck in an unfavorable courtroom while the president is free to campaign, appearing statesmanlike amid international hostilities. 

          Hence, liberal media and congressional loyalists are embracing Mr. Biden as the comeback kid. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd recently asked Democratic political consultant James Carville to name the party’s promising new talents. Among governors, Mr. Carville listed North Carolina’s Roy Cooper, Michigan’s Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky’s Andy Beshear, Maryland’s Wes Moore and Pennsylvania’s Josh Shapiro. Notice anyone missing?

          Mr. Newsom was never as formidable as his fan base thought. Susan Shelley, an editorial writer for the Southern California News Group, shrewdly analyzed Mr. Newsom’s lopsided victory against a recall attempt in 2021 by pointing out that recall targets are exempt from campaign contribution limits. This allowed Mr. Newsom to raise more than $70 million against underfunded opponents at a time when he still had emergency powers to close much of the economy.

          In his regularly scheduled 2022 re-election, Mr. Newsom fared worse against an obscure state senator—whom he outspent by a margin of nearly 10 to 1—than he had four years earlier against a well-financed opponent. A well-funded opponent with name recognition could have beaten Mr. Newsom.

          Politicians come in flavors that fade. Beto O’Rourke and Stacey Abrams were the Democratic Party’s flavors during the past decade. You will be forgiven for not recalling their names. Mr. Newsom is the Democratic Party’s most recent flavor. His taste is rapidly fading.



          the problem with Newsom is that he showed too much of his inner Republican.


          Meh.  Kenneth L. Khachigian wrote better speeches for Nixon and Reagan. This is weak tea.


          I would be interested to see the opinions of our MOL legal wonks …

          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/opinion/bragg-trump-trial.html


          mtierney said:

          from RCL.

          Votes for Biden: 926,633

          Votes for Trump: 788,833

          Democratic votes not Biden: 123,921

          Republican votes not Trump: 163,748

          Were you trying to tell us something?


          dave said:

          .

          The evidence for falsifying the documents seems substantial. The evidence for this being illegal election influence, less so -- I'll be very interested to hear the prosecution make the case for that.


          DaveSchmidt said:

          Votes for Biden: 926,633

          Votes for Trump: 788,833

          Democratic votes not Biden: 123,921

          Republican votes not Trump: 163,748

          Were you trying to tell us something?

          write-ins


          PVW said:

          dave said:

          .

          The evidence for falsifying the documents seems substantial. The evidence for this being illegal election influence, less so -- I'll be very interested to hear the prosecution make the case for that.

          I'm not sure it will result in a unanimous jury, but I've read a few summaries of the evidence that are pretty compelling that it's election influence. Not the "catch and kills" by themselves, but the plot to smear all of Trump's opponents in the primary as well as the general election. The Enquirer published a lot of obviously untrue stories about the opponents, and did so as part of a conspiracy involving Pecker, Cohen, and Trump.

          I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means, but it certainly seems like it should be taken seriously as criminal behavior.


          mtierney said:

          DaveSchmidt said:

          Votes for Biden: 926,633

          Votes for Trump: 788,833

          Democratic votes not Biden: 123,921

          Republican votes not Trump: 163,748

          Were you trying to tell us something?

          write-ins

          you're funny.

          You focus on the 5% of Democratic voters who cast a write-in and ignore the fact that 16% of GOP voters cast a ballot for someone who dropped out of the race weeks ago.

          oh oh


          Funny thing is the first person to testify was Pecker…


          This trial has given late night hosts a bounty of material to work with. 


          For the law buffs here from the WSJ…


            The Supreme Court Trumps Jack Smith

            The Justices are right to rule on Trump’s immunity claim even if it delays a trial.

            ByThe Editorial Board

            The United States Supreme Court building in Washington PHOTO: EVELYN HOCKSTEIN/REUTERS

            You can’t say the current Supreme Court lacks courage. The safe political play for the Justices would have been to dodge the issue of Donald Trump’s immunity from prosecution. But on Wednesday they decided to hear his appeal on the merits of the law and presidential power, though a ruling is sure to infuriate one side or the other.

            Democrats were hoping the Justices would pass on the case and let the recent D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling against immunity stand. But as we warnedon Feb. 7, the sweeping and dismissive nature of the D.C. Circuit ruling made it more likely that the High Court would take the case. And here we are.

            The Supreme Court put the question it will hear on appeal this way: “Whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.”

            A key part of that sentence is “alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.” In denying immunity, the trial judge and the D.C. Circuit panel blew past that point as if it didn’t exist. Yet that was a core part of the Supreme Court’s precedent on presidential immunity in Nixon v. Fitzgerald in 1982.

            That was a civil case involving a lawsuit. But the Court clearly wants to consider whether that precedent applies to criminal prosecutions as well. The Justices in Nixon ruled that a former President had “absolute immunity” from lawsuits for official acts within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties, lest they make it impossible for a President to fulfill those duties while in office.

            If a rush of lawsuits could be crippling to a Presidency, what about the threat of post-presidential prosecutions? The D.C. Circuit opinion suggested that this would be no problem for future Presidents because Mr. Trump poses a unique threat to the rule of law. But is the threat of jail less serious than the threat of civil liability?

            Once the precedent of prosecuting a former President has been set, as it has by special counsel Jack Smith, why wouldn’t future Justice Departments do the same—starting, perhaps, with former President Biden in 2025? Mr. Trump has already said “Joe would be ripe for indictment.” The statute books are full of laws that a partisan prosecutor might exploit. The immunity question is important far beyond Mr. Trump’s fate.

            It takes only four Justices to grant a writ to hear a case, so it isn’t clear how the Justices will come out. But there were no dissents on the order and it directed the D.C. Circuit to delay returning the case to the trial court until the Supreme Court rules. That suggests there are several Justices who want to clean up the appellate court’s legal overreach and consider whether Mr. Trump is immune from prosecution for acts that involve his official duties.

            The appeal is a blow to special counsel Smith, who wants to begin his trial over Mr. Trump’s behavior relating to Jan. 6, 2021, before the election. That timeline is now up in the air. The Court set oral argument for the week of April 22, with a ruling likely in June. But the blame for delay doesn’t lie with the Court, which is following its normal process. The fault lies with the Justice Department for waiting so long to bring the case.

            If the Court rules that Mr. Trump has some immunity from prosecution, it is likely to remand the case to the trial court for a factual finding on whether Mr. Trump’s alleged criminal acts were part of his official duties. That would take weeks and delay the trial until past the election or into 2025.

            Even if the Court rules against Mr. Trump on immunity, the trial judge has suggested she’ll give the parties about three months to prepare for trial. That takes the start date into September. Will Attorney General Merrick Garlandsupport a trial against a presidential candidate running against the AG’s boss only weeks from Election Day? This would fly in the face of Justice Department rules that advise against such politically consequential prosecutions close to an election. It might backfire politically too.

            All of this underscores why prosecuting Mr. Trump as a political strategy was so unwise. The former President’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election was despicable, and it’s a strong reason to deny him so much power again.

            But the lawfare strategy has already helped Mr. Trump win the GOP nomination. Now the most consequential case may be delayed past the election. The Manhattan hush money trial is set to begin on March 25, and Mr. Trump might be convicted by a Manhattan jury. But that case itself is so jerry-rigged and partisan that most voters might ignore it.

            The Supreme Court will be attacked no matter how it rules, and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has already declared that “the Supreme Court is placing itself on trial” by hearing the appeal. No, the Court is doing its job to protect the constitutional order after Democrats decided they couldn’t trust the voters to defeat Mr. Trump.



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