Impeachment Trial - Not Guilty Enough
The whatabouting defense and cherry-picking clips will be very effective for Trump and co.
I guess. I mean, seems like a waste of time -- faster and as effective to just have Schoen go up and say "Democrats Radical Left Socialists Anitfa BLM Cancel Culture Person Woman Man Camera TV" and then sit back down.
Listening on radio, thought Castler's comment about "incitement of resurrection", while an understandable slip of the tongue, was hysterical.
The defense admitted they have no defense thanks to Collins and Murkowski!
jamie said:
The defense admitted they have no defense thanks to Collins and Murkowski!
They also take the position that it's not their job to come up with exculpatory evidence, it's the prosecutor's job. Collins& Murkowski: Exactly when did President Trump learn of the breach of the Capitol? What specific actions did he take to bring it to end & when did he take them? Castor: There's been no investigation into that & that is the problem with this trial. Due process was denied.
interesting - the defense is that he's on trial for incitement - not for failing to protect the capital essentially.
They keep referring to Tuberville's call alerting Trump to the fact that Pence was being removed and Trump tweeting a disparaging comment about Pence minutes after. Then the defense argues there is no proof.
That's not even the issue. Even if Tuberville didn't call, if you are the President and you know your VP and Congress is in the building and it is being stormed as depicted on TV and you don't send help, that is the issue. And yet the jerks in his party who he abandoned are still going to defend him. Just bizarre.
Normal president - Call the Vice President, and ask what the hell's going on and are you okay.
Trump - ?
Morganna said:
They keep referring to Tuberville's call alerting Trump to the fact that Pence was being removed and Trump tweeting a disparaging comment about Pence minutes after. Then the defense argues there is no proof.
That's not even the issue. Even if Tuberville didn't call, if you are the President and you know your VP and Congress is in the building and it is being stormed as depicted on TV and you don't send help, that is the issue. And yet the jerks in his party who he abandoned are still going to defend him. Just bizarre.
The only word I can think of when I think of these Republicans is "craven." Pence was in danger of his life, and yet still will not denounce the man who would have shrugged to see him die, even after four years of obsequiousness. It's just such a disgusting pattern, going back to the 2016 primary. Cruz, Rubio, Graham, all personally and repeatedly insulted by Trump but now his unquestioning supporters. You want to look away from such humiliating self-abnegation.
A CNN talking head (who used to work in the White House) mentioned that there was no way Trump didn't know Pence was in danger, as the Secret Service is constantly monitoring the location of the Prez and VP. Trump's detail would have immediately known about Pence and reported it to Trump.
jamie said:
This is interesting:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html
So hard to imagine McCarthy having the hormones to shout at his commander in chief. Wonder how he would spin it if they called him as a witness. Still I did for a moment delight in the phrase "who the f do you think you're talking to."
But he still flew down to Mar a Lago to ask for the donor list and apparently was refused.
I think this sums it all up - impeachment simplified: House managers: These things happened. We all saw it. Trump lawyers: No they didn't. No you didn't.
Just now on NPR, McCarthy is "not known for his candor" - a less polite form of Morganna's questioning "how he would spin it." Personally, i have no doubt he'd lie his head off for the cause. I was surprised and disappointed when he traipsed down to Florida to kiss the ring, but "fool me once...."
Ok, so they settled on a witness statement. I don't get why they're moving to closing arguments without it.
Collins and Murkowski and Romney and Portman and Sasse and Toomey vote guilty
jamie said:
Collins and Murkowski and Romney and Portman and Sasse and Toomey vote guilty
And Burr !
Dennis_Seelbach said:
jamie said:
Collins and Murkowski and Romney and Portman and Sasse and Toomey vote guilty
And Burr !
If our friends who defended Trump during the Russia investigations were here, they would tell you that Burr accepted the claims of Russian interference, which makes him as bad as Hillary, which makes his "guilty" vote against Trump meaningless.
nohero said:
Dennis_Seelbach said:
jamie said:
Collins and Murkowski and Romney and Portman and Sasse and Toomey vote guilty
And Burr !
If our friends who defended Trump during the Russia investigations were here, they would tell you that Burr accepted the claims of Russian interference, which makes him as bad as Hillary, which makes his "guilty" vote against Trump meaningless.
I do not support Burr, just noted that Jamie had missed him in his list of Reps who voted guilty.
imo, Mitch was his usual loathsome self in that speech, even though often accurate.
As pointed out on CNN, while saying the House indictment was correct, Jan. 6 was foreseeable, and he couldn't vote for impeachment b/c the impeached is now out of office, Mitch omits: 1) he himself never called out the lies and incitement before 1/6 in spite of his claim that he saw it all coming (in fact, he barely managed to acknowledge Biden's win in mid-Dec) and 2) the impeachment could not go fwd before the inauguration because he refused to call the Senate into session.
ugh all around (corrections welcome)
Upton Sinclair’s “It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it” is apropos.
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He literally spent months urging that a lawful, orderly election be overthrown.