The NEW Biden VP discussion thread
If I asked you ten years ago or even five years ago about the chance of an openly Gay person winning a State Primary or Caucus for President what would you have said the chances were?
According to this four female Senators who have been mentioned as possible VP candidates support the GND.
ml1 said:
The House has a good number of progressives. The Senate has a handful. And what is the chance that the Senate would pass any legislation like that proposed by members of the Progressive Caucus, like the Green New Deal? What is the chance Biden is going to campaign on that idea?
Have you considered that the fact that there is not enough support in the Senate to pass a GND, and the fact that Biden is not campaigning on it, may be related?
A Latina Female Governor listed as a supporter of GND
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Lujan_Grisham#Early_life,_family,_and_education
I wonder if she is on the short list.
STANV said:
According to this four female Senators who have been mentioned as possible VP candidates support the GND.
Who is the fourth? (I know warren, harris, and amy k). Is Gillibrand being considered also?
basil said:
STANV said:
According to this four female Senators who have been mentioned as possible VP candidates support the GND.
Who is the fourth? (I know warren, harris, and amy k). Is Gillibrand being considered also?
Klobuchar was a sponsor of the resolution, but backed off a number of its specifics when running for president.
Amy Klobuchar on Climate Change:
Harris is more of a supporter of it than I thought she was. So there are a couple of possible VPs who are in favor.
basil said:
Have you considered that the fact that there is not enough support in the Senate to pass a GND, and the fact that Biden is not campaigning on it, may be related?
Too far reaching. Period.
jimmurphy said:
Too far reaching. Period.
This plan has no chance in hell of ever getting through House + Senate + White House in 2021. And you don't think that has any effect on whether Biden campaigns on it? Are you serious?
I think you misunderstand me. The GND is too far-reaching.
We agree.
jimmurphy said:
I think you misunderstand me. The GND is too far-reaching.
We agree.
I'm not saying I expect it to pass the Senate next year. I'm saying choosing a person who is a strong proponent of it would be a signal from Biden that he's trying to reach out to the kind of people who supported Sanders and Warren.
So choosing Kamala Harris ticks a number of boxes.
Frankly, she is not my favorite by far.
I have my preferences, but frankly, there is not a single bad candidate among them.
Biden is an older man who could have a health issue during his term which would mean the VP would have to step in. If several women ran for President it illustrates that they wanted the job and felt qualified. If a woman didn't run, it says to me she either didn't want the job or didn't think she was qualified.
So why would we want a VP who felt she either couldn't do the job or didn't want the job?
Morganna said:
Biden is an older man who could have a health issue during his term which would mean the VP would have to step in. If several women ran for President it illustrates that they wanted the job and felt qualified. If a woman didn't run, it says to me she either didn't want the job or didn't think she was qualified.
So why would we want a VP who felt she either couldn't do the job or didn't want the job?
What if she just felt that she could not win?
What if she felt qualified, might want the job but supported one of the candidates?
"So why would we want a VP who felt she either couldn't do the job or didn't want the job?"
A third possibility is that she felt she did not have the public recognition or the money to make running in 2020 practical.
basil said:
Maybe he should pick AOC, that would be something!
Not eligible due to age. Qualifications for VP same as P. 35 years of age.
Im not sure who the best pick is, but my least favorite option would be Harris. Not because of harris herself, but because I think she would help Biden’s chances of winning the least. Biden is a lock to win California and he’s very strong with African American voters. So Harris seems to add next to nothing electorally.
basil said:
Maybe he should pick AOC, that would be something!
If by “something” you mean something that would undermine his chances, I agree. But as pointed out, this is not a possibility (thankfully).
Pretty much the same answer to both @STANV and @mjc
STANV said:
What if she just felt that she could not win?
What if she felt qualified, might want the job but supported one of the candidates?
mjc
"So why would we want a VP who felt she either couldn't do the job or didn't want the job?"
A third possibility is that she felt she did not have the public recognition or the money to make running in 2020 practical.
My answer to both questions is this:
I think it takes so much courage to put yourself out there, stand on stage and get attacked, watch the polls,and listen to pundits dole out criticism, that it illustrates the kind of toughness and determination that I feel is required to be the first woman President or the first woman VP.
I am in awe of that kind of courage and I would love to see it be rewarded. There wasn't a single female candidate that stepped up that I wasn't excited for. OK maybe not Marianne Williamson.
After Hillary lost a lot of us felt bewildered. And a lot of us, felt angry. Even after that disappointment these women said, I'm going for it. And quite a few of us sent donations and cheered them on.
If all of those women are pushed aside and someone that played it safe gets plucked off the sidelines, I'm going to be angry.
A record number of women ran. Let's just pick one.
fine with me, lots of capable people there. just saying, that self-doubt and lack of ambition aren't the only possible reasons for sitting out.
Smedley said:
Im not sure who the best pick is, but my least favorite option would be Harris. Not because of harris herself, but because I think she would help Biden’s chances of winning the least. Biden is a lock to win California and he’s very strong with African American voters. So Harris seems to add next to nothing electorally.
You may not be able to see Harris as anything other than Black but she would be the first Asian American President in US History.
Some women have egos also. I think he’s made his decision. And it’s someone who ran in the primaries. I’m cool with whoever he picks.
Ah, never let a predetermined decision prevent the powerful, nothing-impresses-us-more optics of creating a committee.
Alternatively, Biden hasn’t decided yet.
DaveSchmidt said:
Ah, never let a predetermined decision prevent the powerful, nothing-impresses-us-more optics of creating a committee.
Alternatively, Biden hasn’t decided yet.
I think he knows who he prefers but wants her vetted by the committee. Or perhaps he is down to 2 or 3 choices like people on House Hunters but needs a little more information and advice.
Jaytee said:
Some women have egos also. I think he’s made his decision. And it’s someone who ran in the primaries. I’m cool with whoever he picks.
I'm good with anyone other than Amy K. To spit in the face of the progressives while kneeing them in the groin would be tactically unwise at this juncture.
That said, I think it will be Amy K. The worst decision from the worst candidate. That's the real new political normal in today's America.
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The House has a good number of progressives. The Senate has a handful. And what is the chance that the Senate would pass any legislation like that proposed by members of the Progressive Caucus, like the Green New Deal? What is the chance Biden is going to campaign on that idea?
If Biden chose a VP who was a proponent of the GND and/or single payer health insurance, that would be reaching out to the progressive wing. And he may do that by picking Warren. But I don't think any of the other names being tossed about are proponents of anything as progressive as the GND. I'd like to be wrong on this and see Biden choose someone ideologically similar to Sanders. And we'll find out in due time.