What has Jimmy Dore been up to?

3 million refugees and ZaZ doesn't care.   She blames the innocent victims.


nan said:

The Ukrainian parties that were banned include left-wing, Socialist and anti-war parties. They are called "pro-Russia" by western media.  The Ukraine parties that were not banned include the ones led by Nazis.  The Ukrainian cities in the Donbas are being bombed by the Ukrainians.  

But of course you think censorship and bombing is fine when it's done by the Ukrainians. 

It's one thing to be misinformed, but it's a little too much to be misinformed and THEN insult people because they're not misinformed like you are.


nohero said:

It's one thing to be misinformed, but it's a little too much to be misinformed and THEN insult people because they're not misinformed like you are.

Well let's watch another Jimmy Dore video so you can become a bit more informed on the big picture.


nan said:

nohero said:

It's one thing to be misinformed, but it's a little too much to be misinformed and THEN insult people because they're not misinformed like you are.

Well let's watch another Jimmy Dore video so you can become a bit more informed on the big picture.

Why should I watch Jimmy Dore read an article, instead of reading it for myself?

The West’s Hands in Ukraine Are as Bloody as Putin’s (mintpressnews.com)

And reading the article, it's the same old crap - 

"Every death in the current war – Ukrainian and Russian – could almost certainly have been averted had the U.S. and its NATO allies not led Ukraine up the garden path. Had Ukrainians not believed that with enough pressure they could force NATO’s hand in their favor, they would have had to accommodate Russian concerns well before any invasion, such as by committing to neutrality."

Blaming Ukraine for Russia's invasion is like blaming the domestic violence victim.


And in general, when it comes to Jimmy Dore videos about articles like the above - 

Don't watch TV, go read something instead.


I never heard of Jimmy Dore until I saw his name on MOL.

I have a vague idea of the TV Show "The View". Never watched it, probably never will.

Would WWII have happened if the winners of WWI had not imposed harsh conditions on the losers? Maybe not, but it does not excuse Hitler. 


nohero said:

Why should I watch Jimmy Dore read an article, instead of reading it for myself?

The West’s Hands in Ukraine Are as Bloody as Putin’s (mintpressnews.com)

And reading the article, it's the same old crap - 

"Every death in the current war – Ukrainian and Russian – could almost certainly have been averted had the U.S. and its NATO allies not led Ukraine up the garden path. Had Ukrainians not believed that with enough pressure they could force NATO’s hand in their favor, they would have had to accommodate Russian concerns well before any invasion, such as by committing to neutrality."

Blaming Ukraine for Russia's invasion is like blaming the domestic violence victim.

So who is to blame for the eight years of torture suffered by the Russian speaking Ukrainian victims in the Donbas?  The Minsk Accord was signed eight years ago and never followed by Ukraine.   Is blaming Ukraine for that also blaming domestic violence victims?  Are these victims not worthy like the other victims Democrats are now wearing blue and yellow flag pins over?


nan said:

nohero said:

Why should I watch Jimmy Dore read an article, instead of reading it for myself?

The West’s Hands in Ukraine Are as Bloody as Putin’s (mintpressnews.com)

And reading the article, it's the same old crap - 

"Every death in the current war – Ukrainian and Russian – could almost certainly have been averted had the U.S. and its NATO allies not led Ukraine up the garden path. Had Ukrainians not believed that with enough pressure they could force NATO’s hand in their favor, they would have had to accommodate Russian concerns well before any invasion, such as by committing to neutrality."

Blaming Ukraine for Russia's invasion is like blaming the domestic violence victim.

So who is to blame for the eight years of torture suffered by the Russian speaking Ukrainian victims in the Donbas?  The Minsk Accord was signed eight years ago and never followed by Ukraine.   Is blaming Ukraine for that also blaming domestic violence victims?  Are these victims not worthy like the other victims Democrats are now wearing blue and yellow flag pins over?

question for the gallery

nan keeps on saying Ukraine voided the Minsk accords.

Did Russia ever live up to them? Or even try?


JImmy Dore weighs in on Biden's call for regime change in Russia.  He also can be seen telling US troops that they will be in Ukraine (Post headline: https://nypost.com/2022/03/25/joe-biden-says-us-troops-will-be-in-ukraine-in-apparent-gaffe/).  Supposedly the regime change and and troop announcement were "gaffes" but more than one commentator has said he was just saying the quiet part aloud. 

The video also includes a review of a recent Glenn Greenwald article and an interview with Caleb Maupin.


drummerboy said:

question for the gallery

nan keeps on saying Ukraine voided the Minsk accords.

Did Russia ever live up to them? Or even try?

Nope.


nan said:

... Supposedly the regime change and and troop announcement were "gaffes" but more than one commentator has said he was just saying the quiet part aloud. 

wow. more than one commentator. that's proof enough for me!

drummerboy said:

nan said:

... Supposedly the regime change and and troop announcement were "gaffes" but more than one commentator has said he was just saying the quiet part aloud. 

wow. more than one commentator. that's proof enough for me!

Well, yeah. nan and terp. So there it is, facts.


OMG - was this supposed to be funny?


jamie said:

OMG - was this supposed to be funny?

Glad to see you are watching Jimmy Dore on your own!  That's great.  One suggestion though:  don't watch the ones where he does impersonations.   Just too cringy and no, not funny.  I just avoid.


Here's a continuation of the video I posted previously:


ridski said:

Well, yeah. nan and terp. So there it is, facts.

Margaret Kimberley at the Black Agenda Report weighs in powerfully on nan and terp's side:

Biden Means What He Says

https://www.blackagendareport.com/biden-means-what-he-says

Joe Biden may appear to be a confused old man when he blurts out whatever comes to mind. But his outbursts shouldn't be ignored. They always reveal his plans.

“I mean what I say when I say it!” Those words were spoken by president elect Joe Biden in December 2020 during a meeting with a group described as “civil rights leaders.” Video of the meeting was leaked and  Biden’s insulting and dismissive attitude towards Black people was clear even to those who ignored this tendency he has shown throughout his 50 years of public life.

Biden did us a favor by revealing himself and by telling us to pay attention when he speaks. That advice should be followed no matter how strange his words may seem. Even in his bad tempered confusion, Biden always reveals what he is doing.

He recently made news for all the wrong reasons during his recent trip to Europe where he attended a combination G7 summit and NATO meeting in Brussels followed by a trip to Poland.

At the NATO meeting he rather nonchalantly informed the people of the world that they will all suffer because of the misguided effort to punish Russia with sanctions. “With regard to food shortages, yes we did talk about food shortages and it’s going to be real. The price of these sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia. It's imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well. And because both Russia and Ukraine have been the bread basket of Europe in terms of wheat for example.” Ukraine won’t have a good harvest in the near future and Russia won’t be able to sell what it grows. That means rising prices for those scarce wheat products that may still be available. Biden’s casual tone is an indication he thinks people and governments all over the world should accept the oncoming disaster he created without complaint.

Not content to disrupt global food supplies he also announced his future plans for Ukraine. He said this to 82nd Airborne troops stationed in Poland. "And you’re going to see when you’re there. And you — some — some of you have been there. You’re going to see — you’re going to see women, young people standing — standing the middle of — in front of a damn tank, just saying, 'I’m not leaving. I’m holding my ground.' They’re incredible." Why are U.S. troops going to see anything in Ukraine? He tried to clean it up with “you may have already seen it” but he was saying that he intends to have US troops deployed in a country where Russia already has forces. His photo opportunity turned into the announcement of a hot war.

The most remarkable Biden statement that his apologists call a “gaffe ” also took place in Poland. He gave what was supposed to be a conventional speech portraying the U.S. as the beacon of freedom and democracy while Russia is really bad. His remarks should have been fairly standard and unexceptional but as always Biden told us what he was up to. In referring to Vladimir Putin he said, "This man cannot remain in power."

The clarifications and backpedaling were immediate, but no one could unhear Biden’s words. Despite all denials to the contrary, Biden is after regime change against the Russian government and his actions prove it. The very idea that Russia’s government will fall because of sanctions pressure is ludicrous. But once again, Biden gave a heads up in July 2021 .

“When I was with Mr. Putin, who has a real problem. He's sitting on top of an economy that has nuclear weapons and oil wells and nothing else. Nothing else. Their economy is, what, the eighth smallest in the world now, largest in the world? He knows he's in real trouble, which makes him even more dangerous, in my view."

The trope of Russia being a “gas station masquerading as a country” or some other such insult is untrue and a sign that this country’s foreign policy is run by people who are out of touch with reality. It explains why Biden thought he could instigate a proxy war between Ukraine and the Donbas region which would be used to kill the NordStreamII project and sanction Russia. Biden told us that on January 19, 2022 . "And so, I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, etc." Biden and his team of amateurs actually thought they could create a limited crisis in Ukraine that would not result in a serious response from Russia.

Biden does not have the Bill Clinton or Barack Obama gift of gab. They could finesse their way through war crimes in Serbia or Libya with great eloquence. Only those paying close attention could see the havoc and devastation they brought to the world. Biden is often confused but he is focused when he talks about foreign affairs. His delivery may be reminiscent of a crazy old relative that one wants to ignore, but he is deadly serious. From his own words we can see that he believes the U.S. can do whatever it wants and consequences be damned.

The peril of the Biden presidency is unlike any created by an administration in the past few decades. Of course, each administration builds on the work of its predecessor. It would be a mistake to see Biden as being unique. He is unique only in his frankness and shows his hand with every utterance.

He does mean what he says when he says it but what he says must be confronted. If this country were the great democracy that it claims, any president would be afraid to do what Biden has done. Money that covered the uninsured for covid tests is now gone, while Ukraine and the military industrial complex are flush with cash. The saddest thing of all is that the people go along without so much as a peep in protest. Unless that changes Joe Biden’s words will become a terrible reality.


why are you posting opinion pieces like this? The author brings nothing new to the table. No new insight. No new analysis. Many of her points are stupidly simplistic.

e.g.  If this country were the great democracy that it claims, any president
would be afraid to do what Biden has done. Money that covered the
uninsured for covid tests is now gone, while Ukraine and the military
industrial complex are flush with cash."

what a waste of time. thanks a lot.


she made this utterly irresponsible claim on twitter.

if such videos can be found, and she knows where, shouldn't she tell us?

unbelievable.


drummerboy said:

she made this utterly irresponsible claim on twitter.

if such videos can be found, and she knows where, shouldn't she tell us?

unbelievable.

I am making an exception to my not responding to you on this one.  These videos exist and were going around the internet.  I tried to watch them and they were so horrible I could not watch.  I had the links and I was going to post them but they were just too gruesome.  I read somewhere that they caused embarrassment for the Ukraine government.  I did not save the links and now I went back looking and can't find them but you may still be able to find them on the web.  However, you probably do not want to find them on the web.  I saw about 10 seconds and I'm still having flashbacks of the plastic bag over the head part.  What she is talking about is real. There were multiple videos, maybe five.  I also read that they were taking the soldiers' phones and calling their relatives so they could listen to them die.  But, I  was not checking out that part. 


Here's a key part to remember when thinking about what Biden said about Putin and what he said to the U.S. Troops. 

"I mean what I say when I say it!” Those words were spoken by president elect Joe Biden in December 2020 during a meeting with a group described as “civil rights leaders.” Video of the meeting was leaked and Biden’s insulting and dismissive attitude towards Black people was clear even to those who ignored this tendency he has shown throughout his 50 years of public life.

Biden did us a favor by revealing himself and by telling us to pay attention when he speaks. That advice should be followed no matter how strange his words may seem. Even in his bad tempered confusion, Biden always reveals what he is doing.


nan said:

drummerboy said:

she made this utterly irresponsible claim on twitter.

if such videos can be found, and she knows where, shouldn't she tell us?

unbelievable.

I am making an exception to my not responding to you on this one.  These videos exist and were going around the internet.  I tried to watch them and they were so horrible I could not watch.  I had the links and I was going to post them but they were just too gruesome.  I read somewhere that they caused embarrassment for the Ukraine government.  I did not save the links and now I went back looking and can't find them but you may still be able to find them on the web.  However, you probably do not want to find them on the web.  I saw about 10 seconds and I'm still having flashbacks of the plastic bag over the head part.  What she is talking about is real. There were multiple videos, maybe five.  I also read that they were taking the soldiers' phones and calling their relatives so they could listen to them die.  But, I  was not checking out that part. 

yes, there does appear to be a video out there. Ukraine is investigating.

to call for war crimes based on a single, unsubstantiated video is unwarranted and inflammatory. such a charge implies that it is Ukraine's policy to shoot POW's. Do you think that is the case?

now maybe, if you found as many instances of POW mistreatment as there have been of Russia bombing civilian targets, you might have a case.


It’s unbelievable that someone can be horrified by the sight of a Russian soldier with a plastic bag over his head…. When hundreds of women and children are blown to pieces inside a shelter or hospital…

It’s war, the Russian soldiers all had the same excuse when captured, but were given food and a phone to call their families back home. But it only took the Ukrainian fighters a couple of weeks to figure out that some of these Russian soldiers were heartless killers. They see them deliberately firing on homes, raping women while their children are crying, then kill them. They see Russian soldiers indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings. They see their country being destroyed by people claiming they don’t know why they are in Ukraine. It’s a fuckin war! You obviously care more about the Russian criminals than innocent women and children…. And you call yourself a woman? Some of you women are evil pieces of siht. You are beyond disgusting. 


drummerboy said:

nan said:

... Supposedly the regime change and and troop announcement were "gaffes" but more than one commentator has said he was just saying the quiet part aloud. 

wow. more than one commentator. that's proof enough for me!

Tulsi said it.  To Tucker Carlson. It doesn't get more legit than that. 

By the way, the Russian guys love their "girl" Tulsi.


Tuilsi the Warmonger is a useless piece of garbage.   

And her supporters belong in the same trash can.


Tulsi probably deserves here own thread he's a clip from CPAC that SHE posted on her feed - talk about pandering to the base.  Does anyone know when she switched parties?


She is a Warmonger.   She applauds when Russian troops fire on civilians in cars.   https://twitter.com/i/status/1501162662369103872


  


jamie said:

Tulsi probably deserves here own thread he's a clip from CPAC that SHE posted on her feed - talk about pandering to the base.  Does anyone know when she switched parties?

Wow.

A freedom that comes from God yet so easily taken away. Were Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Idi Amin more powerful than God? How else can one explain them being able to take away what is given by God?

A fantasy, like children. And Santa will gives presents and the Easter Bunny brings colorful eggs.

You have freedom when government ensures it. Get rid of government or install a dictatorship and watch what happens when predators appear at your doorstep.

ps - if freedom is given by God then why do they bother about the second amendment and their need to have a gun in every home? I don't remember civil right being enumerated in scripture. I do remember slavery being scripturally acceptable.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ


I guess God has empowered the Putin-Suirovell-Tuilsi-Mate-Greenwald-Ritter-Zaz-Blumenthal-Dore  Vicious Warmonger Alliance to force 4+ million people out of their homes, commit countless war crimes, murder elderly civilians in their cars, and on and on and on.

And Tuilsi and the rest of the bloodthirsty Alliance members fully support this because they think it will get them to Heaven.   

Oh yeah, the sacrifice of the people of Ukraine is totally okay because God knows that the US is evil anyway.


 


Wish we had some politicians like Clare Daly.  She stands up to the Nazis. Also includes a discussion about NATO - a Trojan horse that keeps the world at war with Russia and destroys our economies. 


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