Sanders is OUT!

DaveSchmidt said:

ml1 said:

So now we have to count on people being revved up to beat Trump, no matter who the Democratic nominee is.  Maybe that will be enough.  

cc: Rachel Bitecofer 

Thanks. I thought nobody had seen my post.  

nan said:

You have posted troll comments for 4+ years.  You think politicians should automatically get votes without having to offer anything.  You were stupid enough to think that obviously corrupt candidates would actually care about ordinary people.  Now you support a corrupt senile accused rapist who is a compulsive liar and has been on the wrong side of every issue and who will most likely lose to Trump.  You will not blame this one on Bernie or his supporters.  You own this one.  You will take responsibility for all those tragic people who don't get healthcare because Joe Biden's donors need to make a profit and get their absence bonuses. 

You can BET that I will blame it on Bernie supporters if they (like you) are going to spend the next 6 months shredding Biden because they (like you) are too ******* stupid to understand that Trump is the worst human being on the planet.

BET ON IT.

nan said:

drummerboy said:

 that's a ridiculous and ahistorical assertion.

 OK, give me an example, or several examples since you think it has no merit. It's difficult to even find examples of incumbent presidents losing, never mind them losing to someone who offers the status quo. 

 er, something's backwards here.

jamie said:

who did he rape? that's a bold accusation.

Tara Reade.  She is a credible accuser.  The MSM won't cover this, even to vet her claim.  Trump and the right-wing media will, because Biden runs on character (unlike Trump). 

I know there's a sexual assault accusation - I never heard that she was raped.  wow - let me know what minute has her saying this?

PVW said:

 Which should tell you that you are working off a very small data set, and which should lead you to question any conclusions attempted to be drawn from such a tiny sample -- especially definitive, sweeping conclusions.

It's a large data set if you include all the candidates that ran against the incumbent and lost.  They don't run unopposed.  

jamie said:

I know there's a sexual assault accusation - I never heard that she was raped.  wow - let me know what minute has her saying this?

Listen to the interview.   

I've heard the sexual allegations before - I didn't realize that he RAPED her. 

jamie said:

I've heard the sexual allegations before - I didn't realize that he RAPED her. 

 Well listen to the tape.  

nan said:

jamie said:

I've heard the sexual allegations before - I didn't realize that he RAPED her. 

 Well listen to the tape.  

 I think you guys have different definitions.

I was going by what Tara has actually said.  She has never used the word rape.  And it's not how any reporting has characterized it.  Unless it's commondreams or one of those outlets.

nan said:

 The general is different than the primary. Trump would be easier to beat than the whole Democratic establishment and media working together to take you down.  Sanders had a huge share of he people under 50.  That was something like 70%.  The older voters who went for Biden are "Any Blue will Do" folks so they would have voted for Sanders in the general.   Biden will have the anywho folks but he will lose as at least some of the under 50's and the crossover from Trump types, such as Joe Rogan supporters. 

The thought is he will make it up by getting moderate Republicans to switch--which is what they said Hillary would do and Biden is not even doing as well as HIllary did at this point.   

Also, historically the only time an incumbent president has been beaten is with an insurgent candidate who offers a radically different platform.  Does anyone even know a policy that Biden even has?  He's just running on some fake nostalgia vibes and MSM propaganda.  He's so bad that even the people that voted for him are now drooling over the odious Andrew Cuomo. 

 Sorry I didn’t make it past the second sentence before lmfao.

drummerboy said:

nan said:

drummerboy said:

 that's a ridiculous and ahistorical assertion.

 OK, give me an example, or several examples since you think it has no merit. It's difficult to even find examples of incumbent presidents losing, never mind them losing to someone who offers the status quo. 

 er, something's backwards here.

It's not difficult to find examples.  Working backwards, there's Bush I, Carter, Ford, and I'll add Johnson who declined to run for re-election.  You can look back further, but at some point the distance from today makes the comparisons less useful. 

nan said:

PVW said:

 Which should tell you that you are working off a very small data set, and which should lead you to question any conclusions attempted to be drawn from such a tiny sample -- especially definitive, sweeping conclusions.

It's a large data set if you include all the candidates that ran against the incumbent and lost.  They don't run unopposed.  

McGovern, for instance. Oh, but that was so long ago.

If you’re going to submit Bill Clinton as an insurgent candidate with a radically different platform (and presumably Carter as well), this line of argument is already a dead end.

It's time to feel the verm.

nan said:

 We should not be running a nominee who gets comments like this from standard issue establishment Democrats.  Not a good sign. 

 Morganna is anything but a "standard issue establishment Democrat".

If she had your attitude she would oppose any candidate who ate meat.

nan said:

 OK, give me an example, or several examples since you think it has no merit. It's difficult to even find examples of incumbent presidents losing, never mind them losing to someone who offers the status quo. 

 1976

Some Bernie fans aren't taking it well right now.  But they'll come around eventually, right?

Right?

My wife cried for 3 hours straight today after @BernieSanders suspended his campaign. Me? I'm just sitting over here like...#NeverBidenNeverTrump pic.twitter.com/VbIeZaZjWu

—  Dark Warlord  (@drkwarlord) April 9, 2020

terp said:

So we've got this to look forward to....which is nice.

 Projection by Trump supporters. That reaction is far more typical of Trump than of Biden.

jamie said:

Biden is the last man standing.  Bernie supporters - time to unite with fellow democrats.

 Time for Biden to start courting Bernie supporters.  You may not think that is the way things ought to be but it is what he needs to do if he is to have any hope of winning in November.  As for me, I am putting all of my hopes on the Dems drafting an electable candidate at the Convention.  I would even support Cuomo, a politician who, in ordinary times I detest, because I think he might be able to beat Trump and I just don't think Joe has it in him.

jamie said:

I was going by what Tara has actually said.  She has never used the word rape.  And it's not how any reporting has characterized it.  Unless it's commondreams or one of those outlets.

 An allegation is just that. If Bernie had won the nomination the Right might have found someone to accuse him of rape. 

Hell, some of them would have accused Tulsi of rape.

John Kerry who volunteered to serve in Vietnam and won medals was attacked as a traitor. George McGovern who flew missions against the Nazis in WWll was painted as "UnAmerican". Mike Dukakis, a notorious skinflint, who as Governor of Massachusetts fought against increasing taxes, was painted as "tax and spend".

Joe Biden who was the poorest man in the Senate and who left Washington every night to be home with his kids, and who even Lindsay Graham said was a great person, will be attacked as "dishonest and corrupt". Nan has already said that.

It is difficult to use such tactics against Trump because the reality is worse than just about any lie.

Klinker said:

 Time for Biden to start courting Bernie supporters.  You may not think that is the way things ought to be but it is what he needs to do if he is to have any hope of winning in November.  

 Like Bernie's National Press Secretary?  Good luck with that.  

Bernie was too kind to go after Biden, but it's coming. Either Dem leadership cares more abt maintaining a corporate status quo than getting rid of Trump, or they're planning to replace Joe - adopting a pretty fast and loose relationship w/ representative Democracy. Lose lose. https://t.co/mzQYMjM2Nc

— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) April 9, 2020

But you guys just go on demonizing the folks who's support you need to win.  That didn't work out too well last time around but tomorrow's a brand new day.

Klinker said:

 Time for Biden to start courting Bernie supporters.  You may not think that is the way things ought to be but it is what he needs to do if he is to have any hope of winning in November.  As for me, I am putting all of my hopes on the Dems drafting an electable candidate at the Convention.  I would even support Cuomo, a politician who, in ordinary times I detest, because I think he might be able to beat Trump and I just don't think Joe has it in him.

 So you are in favor of exactly what Nan is against, the DNC and the Super Delegates ignoring the voters.

We're seeing the stark difference between Bernie followers - and those of all other campaigns.

Bernie started a revolution and he constantly addressed his flock on his mission. Any other route would be meaningless. This is why we'll see more and more of the notbiden nottrump sentiments. And we will start to see movements towards a Jill Stein type of alternative to emerge shortly.

The type of reaction was not seen by any other candidate's followers.

The Bernie cult won't accept Biden as the nominee until he becomes Bernie in every way.  Any area where he comes up short will cause a NotBiden moment.  I don't think it will be worth it for him to try to convince this flock.

drummerboy said:

nan said:

jamie said:

I've heard the sexual allegations before - I didn't realize that he RAPED her. 

 Well listen to the tape.  

 I think you guys have different definitions.

 I should not have to define rape to an adult who can easily look it up if he does not already know.  Here's dictionary.com:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

Got it now, Jamie?  Joe Biden is accused of rape. 

nohero said:

 Like Bernie's National Press Secretary?  Good luck with that.  

 Good luck indeed.  You have chosen an unelectable standard bearer.  You are going to need all the luck you can get.  Getting Nan to vote for Biden may seem like an impossible task but its what you are going to have to do to get this rancid ham sandwich into the White House.

I warned you......

STANV said:

Klinker said:

 Time for Biden to start courting Bernie supporters.  You may not think that is the way things ought to be but it is what he needs to do if he is to have any hope of winning in November.  As for me, I am putting all of my hopes on the Dems drafting an electable candidate at the Convention.  I would even support Cuomo, a politician who, in ordinary times I detest, because I think he might be able to beat Trump and I just don't think Joe has it in him.

 So you are in favor of exactly what Nan is against, the DNC and the Super Delegates ignoring the voters.

 This is an unprecedented time of emergency. The difficulties that will be faced by the next president could not have been anticipated on Super Tuesday.  Our presumptive nominee is singularly unqualified to face those challenges.

Klinker said:

But you guys just go on demonizing the folks who's support you need to win.  That didn't work out too well last time around but tomorrow's a brand new day.

 First, who are "you guys". Second how do you gain the support of people who believe that only Bernie Sanders can beat Trump, or further, believe any Democrat other than Sanders is no better than Trump.

Almost all that is necessary to win the support of the great majority Sanders supporters for Biden is for Sanders to strongly endorse him.

nan said:

The MSM won't cover this, even to vet her claim.

If the MSM vets sexual assault accusations and concludes they aren’t credible, it has a choice: Publish a report that details why it came to that conclusion, or publish nothing and move on.

A downside of the first option is that it gives a lot of oxygen to allegations that you’ve decided have no merit. A downside of the other is that it lets people like nan assume a coverup.