Open up America "AGAIN?"
if we're going to be fair, the governors of NY and NJ have been doing a good job since they first moved to lock down their states. But they moved too slowly in the beginning, compared to the Pacific states, who responded weeks before we did. As a result, we've had a lot more death and suffering than residents of WA and CA, where the virus was contained a lot better than it was here.
mtierney said:
A photo of citizens demonstrating in no way compares to the caricatures in the cartoon. A flag is held (not a crime yet) and a woman Is wearing a flag dress — which was at one time viewed as disrespect.
Who knows where the cartoonist got the idea.
mtierney said:
nohero said:
Video below is of a New Jersey protest. Except for the guns (which were displayed in Pennsylvania and Michigan, at least NJ has more sane gun laws), this could be the crowd in the cartoon.
So not true. A photo of citizens demonstrating in no way compares to the caricatures in the cartoon. A flag is held (not a crime yet) and a woman Is wearing a flag dress — which was at one time viewed as disrespect.
IT'S A VIDEO
(Which clearly Ms. Mtierney did not watch)
These guys should have told Pence to go fcuk himself and put on a damn mask. These roundtable guests were asked to remove their face masks before meeting with VP Mike Pence pic.twitter.com/visaoDeIsb
drummerboy said:
meh, who needs cartoonists?
I guess the zombie apocalypse is indeed upon us
ml1 said:
if we're going to be fair, the governors of NY and NJ have been doing a good job since they first moved to lock down their states. But they moved too slowly in the beginning, compared to the Pacific states, who responded weeks before we did. As a result, we've had a lot more death and suffering than residents of WA and CA, where the virus was contained a lot better than it was here.
True -- and also shows the hollowness of people claiming Trump would be criticized regardless of what he did. Cuomo and Murphy have made mistakes, but the differ from Trump in that they are clearly taking this seriously and trying to learn from earlier missteps and improve.
People don't expect miracles. They know that even with the best efforts, many will still get ill and die. They do expect our leaders to do their utmost to meet the challenge and to use all the resources they have available to make the right choices and, where they make a mistake, to adjust and make better choices. This is where Trump is failing, and why he deserves all the criticism he gets, and then some. He's a venal, unserious man utterly mismatched to this gravely serious moment.
the truth is that there is no alternate reality in which Trump could have even tried to do better. He is in no way capable of paying attention to or understanding anything beyond his own very narrow self-interest. The only way he could have competently and proactively responded would have been to NOT be Donald Trump.
It comes down to the fact that of all the things Trump is NOT, it's being a leader, in any sense of the word.
ml1 said:
the truth is that there is no alternate reality in which Trump could have even tried to do better. He is in no way capable of paying attention to or understanding anything beyond his own very narrow self-interest. The only way he could have competently and proactively responded would have been to NOT be Donald Trump.
Yes, I think we're in violent agreement here. My point is that it's not really about partisanship or Trump being a Republican or anything like that -- it's that Trump just will not and cannot do what is needed. He's not even able to make the attempt to do so. The fact that other leader are able to garner praise across the board despite for instance initially being too slow (Cuomo, Murphy) or being of a different party (Hogan) underscores how much the failure at the national level is specifically Trump's failings.
Wow, fear of losing in November is very evident in these posts!
That is what is motivating Trump hate. Don’t think Biden has a chance?
mtierney said:
Wow, fear of losing in November is very evident in these posts!
That is what is motivating Trump hate. Don’t think Biden has a chance?
You don't read very well, do you.
mtierney said:
Wow, fear of losing in November is very evident in these posts!
That is what is motivating Trump hate. Don’t think Biden has a chance?
the fact that Trump wants people to die so that we can "reopen" the economy is sufficient reason to hate him. I'd think someone like yourself who is part of a vulnerable subgroup of the population would be pretty angry that Trump would prefer you die than the states stay in quarantine for a few more weeks.
ml1 said:
the fact that Trump wants people to die so that we can "reopen" the economy is sufficient reason to hate him. I'd think someone like yourself who is part of a vulnerable subgroup of the population would be pretty angry that Trump would prefer you die than the states stay in quarantine for a few more weeks.
Not that selfish...
mtierney said:
ml1 said:
the fact that Trump wants people to die so that we can "reopen" the economy is sufficient reason to hate him. I'd think someone like yourself who is part of a vulnerable subgroup of the population would be pretty angry that Trump would prefer you die than the states stay in quarantine for a few more weeks.
Not that selfish...
Did you post that cartoon when Trump pushed for his massive tax cuts? If not, why not?
PVW said:
mtierney said:
ml1 said:
the fact that Trump wants people to die so that we can "reopen" the economy is sufficient reason to hate him. I'd think someone like yourself who is part of a vulnerable subgroup of the population would be pretty angry that Trump would prefer you die than the states stay in quarantine for a few more weeks.
Not that selfish...
Did you post that cartoon when Trump pushed for his massive tax cuts? If not, why not?
More to the point, that cartoon is an example of the dishonesty of conservative "commentary". Ms. Mtierney is just a useful consumer of their garbage.
mtierney said:
Wow, fear of losing in November is very evident in these posts!
That is what is motivating Trump hate. Don’t think Biden has a chance?
Re the motives of hate:
https://twitter.com/kevinvesey/status/1261001977598808065?s=21
DaveSchmidt said:
mtierney said:
Wow, fear of losing in November is very evident in these posts!
That is what is motivating Trump hate. Don’t think Biden has a chance?
Re the motives of hate:
https://twitter.com/kevinvesey/status/1261001977598808065?s=21
That was disturbing.
mtierney said:
Not that selfish...
not a single person who dies is going to give a **** about the national debt. And the vast majority of people who lose a loved one for that matter. Did you care about the increase in the national debt when the U.S. was fighting WWII? Did anyone you know care? You like to use the WWII analogy when it suits you, so why not with regard to the national debt?
drummerboy said:
That was disturbing.
wow. And that guy is just local Long Island news. Imagine what they would do to a CNN or MSNBC reporter.
I did not watch the entire thing but it seems to me that if you are having a demonstration you would want the media to cover it.
Was the Reporter wearing a sign that stated a position contrary to the demonstrators?
nohero said:
More to the point, that cartoon is an example of the dishonesty of conservative "commentary". Ms. Mtierney is just a useful consumer of their garbage.
She's more than a consumer, she's also a distributor. Generally that offense comes with higher level of punishment.
Red_Barchetta said:
She's more than a consumer, she's also a distributor. Generally that offense comes with higher level of punishment.
I would never have known about michaelpramirez.com if she didn't post his stuff here. But it's pretty amazing someone as stupid as he is has a job in media. But I guess the MAGAs lap up anything that trolls the libs, regardless of how idiotic the point is.
Huge incompetence. If he was CEO instead of President, he would be fired before close of business. Trump is still out here claiming that the coronavirus will go away on its own pic.twitter.com/8bbFtQJBH6
STANV said:
I did not watch the entire thing but it seems to me that if you are having a demonstration you would want the media to cover it.
Was the Reporter wearing a sign that stated a position contrary to the demonstrators?
Apparently his TV station (local) had become a major purveyor of fake news.
nohero said:
Huge incompetence. If he was CEO instead of President, he would be fired before close of business.
It's not incompetence. Don't make that mistake.
He's feeding the Trump mob what they need to know to justify their irrational behavior. He knows exactly what he's doing here.
drummerboy said:
It's not incompetence. Don't make that mistake.
He's feeding the Trump mob what they need to know to justify their irrational behavior. He knows exactly what he's doing here.
You're probably correct.
It would still be "for cause" to fire his a** just for taking that position.
nohero said:
drummerboy said:
It's not incompetence. Don't make that mistake.
He's feeding the Trump mob what they need to know to justify their irrational behavior. He knows exactly what he's doing here.
You're probably correct.
It would still be "for cause" to fire his a** just for taking that position.
well, yeah. To whomever it's directed, it's still crazy talk coming out of the boss's mouth.
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
That was disturbing.
wow. And that guy is just local Long Island news. Imagine what they would do to a CNN or MSNBC reporter.
Or if he were A Force for Evil. And just his luck: The only expert he could find said the crowd had a point.
I would never have known about michaelpramirez.com if she didn't post his stuff here. But it's pretty amazing someone as stupid as he is has a job in media. But I guess the MAGAs lap up anything that trolls the libs, regardless of how idiotic the point is.
Ramirez is a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner (1994, 2008). MSM lapping up anything that trolls the libs. 
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I'm happy to see you temporarily transcend your partisanship and praise Gov. Cuomo. I take it as a sign that Cuomo is managing his relationship with the WH well enough that it hasn't triggered too many direct attacks on him, which is good news for our region (though it's bad news that our health and safety rely so much on our leaders' abilities to work around the president's petulance).