Elizabeth Warren for Vice President!

This is the lineup for  Super Tuesday

Alabama

Arkansas

California

Dems abroad

Massachusetts

Minnesota

North Carolina

You have Senators from California, Massachusetts and Minnesota in the race. That's pretty interesting.

A recent poll in California shows a pretty tight race between Warren, Sanders and that other guy.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2019/oct/03/new-california-poll-shows-3-democrats-dead-heat-pr/

But remember if a candidate gets more than 15% of the votes on primary day they'll get a portion of the delegates. It's not winner-take-all in most of the Democratic primaries. If they're below that 15% threshold they get nothing. That's why I semi-arbitrarily picked Super Tuesday as my end point. If any candidate hasn't picked up any delegates by cracking 15% in at least one primary I think they're in a deep enough hole to drop out. I think I saw one recent poll in Arizona where Buttegieg polled at 11% but other than that nobody else is even hitting double digits.

Granted there are more debates and lots more campaigning before we start primaries. So we'll see. But Warren seems to be in a groove right there with Biden and Sanders.

mrincredible said:

A recent poll in California shows a pretty tight race between Warren, Sanders and that other guy.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2019/oct/03/new-california-poll-shows-3-democrats-dead-heat-pr/

But remember if a candidate gets more than 15% of the votes on primary day they'll get a portion of the delegates. It's not winner-take-all in most of the Democratic primaries. If they're below that 15% threshold they get nothing. That's why I semi-arbitrarily picked Super Tuesday as my end point. If any candidate hasn't picked up any delegates by cracking 15% in at least one primary I think they're in a deep enough hole to drop out. I think I saw one recent poll in Arizona where Buttegieg polled at 11% but other than that nobody else is even hitting double digits.

Granted there are more debates and lots more campaigning before we start primaries. So we'll see. But Warren seems to be in a groove right there with Biden and Sanders.

 Ouch, that has to disappoint Kamala Harris. Not even in the top 3

Morganna said:

 Ouch, that has to disappoint Kamala Harris. Not even in the top 3

As I said there's a lot of campaigning left.

mrincredible said:

Morganna said:

 Ouch, that has to disappoint Kamala Harris. Not even in the top 3

As I said there's a lot of campaigning left.

 Its pretty bad considering she is their home senator.

This is the Warren thread so I want to respect that and not get too caught up in the other candidates. On the other hand the general 2020 Candidates thread has more or less ground into an incomprehensible morass.

That being said, I think there might be room for one or two other candidates (besides Sanders, Warren and Biden) to scratch out 15% wins in some states.

mrincredible said:

This is the Warren thread so I want to respect that and not get too caught up in the other candidates. On the other hand the general 2020 Candidates thread has more or less ground into an incomprehensible morass.

That being said, I think there might be room for one or two other candidates (besides Sanders, Warren and Biden) to scratch out 15% wins in some states.

 I would have thought Harris and Klobuchar would win their states. I believe Gov Gavin Newsom endorsed her I believe. Pretty sure Eric Swalwell did. I just thought she had a decent hold on her state.

We'll see how Klobuchar does in Minnesota.

OK back to Liz. 

The Wall Street Journal editorial board makes a powerful case for Elizabeth Warren for President.

Okay, not intentionally.

Well, that didn’t take long. In August the knights of the Business Roundtable announced that they are putting “stakeholders” ahead of shareholders as their primary business purpose. Now Senator Elizabeth Warren, who is rising in the presidential polls, is demanding that these CEOs prove they mean it by endorsing her grand design to remake American capitalism.

“I write for information about the tangible actions you intend to take to implement the principles” in the Roundtable’s Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation, Sen. Warren wrote to JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon and other CEOs late last week.

Her letter then denounces corporate profits, stock buybacks and dividends that she says leave workers behind. “I am pleased that the Business Roundtable has acknowledged the harm that this trend inflicts on the economy and that you, on behalf of JP Morgan Chase, have pledged to take steps to reverse it,” the letter adds.

The prophets of profit are not pleased. "And make no mistake, Ms. Warren’s Accountable Capitalism Act would end capitalism as we know it."

Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/king-warren-of-the-roundtable-11570395953

Note:  It seems like they let non-subscribers through the paywall for this one; if they don't, even the title conveys the sense of where they're coming from.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/8/1890935/-Cartoon-Fear-of-a-female-wonk

They're realizing she's a real threat, someone who means what she says. The big money is now focused on demonizing her.

The recent, steady rise of Elizabeth Warren’s presidential candidacy has obviously changed the dynamics of the 2020 Democratic nomination contest. While her strong favorability rating among Democrats has unsurprisingly paralleled her enhanced levels of support as a first-choice candidate, nagging doubts remain about her “electability” — despite the fact that she is routinely leading Trump in general-election trial-heat polls. Some of it undoubtedly flows from the unproven but widespread belief that Americans (usually other Americans, not poll respondents themselves) “aren’t ready” for a woman as president. There are also various concerns arising from Warren’s standing in her home state of Massachusetts — or even from the identity of her home state, which produced presidential-general-election losers in 1988, 2004, and 2012. Some observers even think the vastly overblown “scandal” over Warren once identifying in an academic directory as Native American — the source of the endless Trumpian “Pocahontas” taunt — is a much bigger deal than any rational assessment would suggest.

But the problem with Warren that we are beginning to hear about most frequently is the claim that she’s just “too liberal” or “too far left” for otherwise persuadable voters (or donors) to countenance. Thus, in theory, she will lose swing voters that, say, Joe Biden might win, in part because her anti-corporate rhetoric and progressive policy positions will play into the Trump campaign’s clearly planned message that Democrats are all godless, baby-killing, America-hating socialists.

Where is this argument coming from, if Warren is leading Trump in trial heats and becoming steadily more popular? Pretty clearly, corporate voices from Wall Street to Silicon Valley are taking the lead in demonizing her, for good reason: She’s a threat to their bottom lines and their all-but-sovereign business practices. As The Wall Street Journal recently reported, the drumbeat of warnings about Warren is getting louder, and emanates from separate sectors prone to different ideological tendencies. That became clear when leaked audio revealed Mark Zuckerberg’s fears about the candidate who has called for breaking up Facebook:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/wall-street-spreads-anybodybutelizabeth-warren-sentiment.html 

BG9 said:

They're realizing she's a real threat, someone who means what she says. The big money is now focused on demonizing her.

The big money AND Nan.  Strange bedfellows indeed. 

The berniebots are getting desperate. They've been pushing some nonsense "scandal" on twitter about Warren's claim that she lost her teaching job when she got pregnant. 

drummerboy said:

The berniebots are getting desperate. They've been pushing some nonsense "scandal" on twitter about Warren's claim that she lost her teaching job when she got pregnant. 

 Yes, we've reached some sort of "singularity".   Both the self-proclaimed "progressives" and the Trump true-believers are adopting the argument that there's no way a pregnant teacher would not have been asked to return to school, back in 1971.

nohero said:

drummerboy said:

The berniebots are getting desperate. They've been pushing some nonsense "scandal" on twitter about Warren's claim that she lost her teaching job when she got pregnant. 

 Yes, we've reached some sort of "singularity".   Both the self-proclaimed "progressives" and the Trump true-believers are adopting the argument that there's no way a pregnant teacher would not have been asked to return to school, back in 1971.

 Some of the self proclaimed "progressives".  Polls show that many progressives are supporting the viable progressive candidate this time around.  I know I am.

Liz has pulled into first place slightly ahead ahead of Biden in the latest Real Clear Politics poll average:

:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

woohoo!

Klinker said:

 Some of the self proclaimed "progressives".  Polls show that many progressives are supporting the viable progressive candidate this time around.  I know I am.

 Fair enough.  Let's say you're with the "real progressives".  

From the NY Times: "Republicans are attacking Ms. Warren over authenticity, a sexist trope in politics, much like they did with Hillary Clinton. Ms. Warren has used those attacks to rally supporters."

nohero said:

From the NY Times: "Republicans are attacking Ms. Warren over authenticity, a sexist trope in politics, much like they did with Hillary Clinton. Ms. Warren has used those attacks to rally supporters."

 the Washington Post is going after Warren by using other Democrats:

Washington Post goes after Elizabeth Warren with posse of establishment sources

This is what happens when a candidate becomes the front-runner.

Be prepared for more attacks and be sensitive to covert sexism.

Edited to add:

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-pregnancy-discrimination/

Liz Warren will be doing the Equality Town Hall at 9 on CNN.  Candidates start at 7:30 and go to midnight.

Thanks for pointing this out. DVRing everyone. Mayor Pete doing a great job right now! Very thoughtful candidate. Looking forward to Liz.

jimmurphy said:

Thanks for pointing this out. DVRing everyone. Mayor Pete doing a great job right now! Very thoughtful candidate. Looking forward to Liz.

 Liz always makes me feel enthused! Loved her.

Also thought Biden did a good job. 

Have to give props to CNN for running these town halls. These long form events beat the hell out of the debates.

Did they do this in 2016?

drummerboy said:

Have to give props to CNN for running these town halls. These long form events beat the hell out of the debates.

Did they do this in 2016?

 Not that I remember. 

The hosts are doing a good job. Loved Anderson Cooper with Joe Biden.

drummerboy said:

Have to give props to CNN for running these town halls. These long form events beat the hell out of the debates.

Did they do this in 2016?

 Yes for the Republicans

I am still not sold on Warren, but I have to admit that her response to "One Man One Woman" was pretty good.

basil said:

I am still not sold on Warren, but I have to admit that her response to "One Man One Woman" was pretty good.

 Is there someone that you are watching that stands out? I keep looking beyond the top 3. 

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That time in the 2016 election cycle when liberal groups wanted Warren to run, before they settled on Bernie because she didn't run.

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"Our folks on the ground are going to reach out to the really strong activist community that exists in New Hampshire," said Neil Sroka, Democracy for America's spokesman. "We want to show Elizabeth Warren that if she decided to get into the race, there is a strong grassroots army ready to do everything a candidate needs to run a competitive race in the Granite State."