Dixie Flag Watch

Being from NC and having lived half my life in the South and the other half in the North, I am far more concerned about the bigots who don't choose to self identify by flying their freak flag. Identifying homes with Confederate flags and labeling those few as bigots misses many others who aren't so open with their racism.

Point of order, New Jersey wasn't south of the Mason-Dixon line, it was east of it.

Let's see, J-F.Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And maybe

tom said:
Point of order, New Jersey wasn't south of the Mason-Dixon line, it was east of it.

But it is also south of it.

ridski said:

nohero said:South Jersey, south of the Turnpike and west of the GSP and the shore, is similar. Every time I go down there, I am amazed at how there is so much difference, such a relatively small distance away (compared to going across the U.S.).

Um... Duh. Eagles fans.

Plenty of Eagles fans in Maplewood

Woot said:

ridski said:

nohero said:South Jersey, south of the Turnpike and west of the GSP and the shore, is similar. Every time I go down there, I am amazed at how there is so much difference, such a relatively small distance away (compared to going across the U.S.).

Um... Duh. Eagles fans.

Plenty of Eagles fans in Maplewood

We should make them wear arm bands so we know who they are.

ParticleMan said:

Woot said:

ridski said:

nohero said:South Jersey, south of the Turnpike and west of the GSP and the shore, is similar. Every time I go down there, I am amazed at how there is so much difference, such a relatively small distance away (compared to going across the U.S.).

Um... Duh. Eagles fans.

Plenty of Eagles fans in Maplewood

We should make them wear arm bands so we know who they are.

Can we put their names in some kind of registry

ridski said:

ParticleMan said:

Woot said:

ridski said:

nohero said:South Jersey, south of the Turnpike and west of the GSP and the shore, is similar. Every time I go down there, I am amazed at how there is so much difference, such a relatively small distance away (compared to going across the U.S.).

Um... Duh. Eagles fans.

Plenty of Eagles fans in Maplewood

We should make them wear arm bands so we know who they are.

Can we put their names in some kind of registry

And annual psych evaluations

tom said:
Point of order, New Jersey wasn't south of the Mason-Dixon line, it was east of it.

Thanks. I learned something.

So it's a border, not a line.

Tom_Reingold said:
So it's a border, not a line.

It's not a straight line

"not straight" - so that matters? I thought Maplewood was an inclusive, accepting, no stigma town and now we're apparently talking about sexual orientation as a divisive factor?

You just made the registry, buddy!

A bit of thread drift here....

Scott Garrett voted against extension of the first responders bill. Wonder how many of his 'Merica-first constituents realize that?

I agree with pretty much everything that Jackson Fusion has said here. Much ado about nothing.

Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.

Here are a few things to ponder

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/

And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html

I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.

Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Saw the same pickup with the dixie flag on the rollbar 2 saturdays in a row at applebee's on route 10 (east hanover? Florham Park? its in the same complex as Dick's and Marshall's).

Woot said:

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.
Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Yes, thank you. I don't agree with the flag but *most* people who have them are not mass murderers.

Woot said:

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.
Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Seems to me that just being extremely racist, to the point of putting a Dixie Flag on your pickup or front porch, is a bit crazy. Do you think that the church shooter's neighbors just thought to themselves "he's a racist but he would never shoot up a black church?" I think a lot of extremists have been shown to have violent tendencies.

It seems like Dixie Flags and assault rifles go together.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/white-supremacists-rally-for-god-and-confederate-flag-at-stone-mountain/

tourne said:

Woot said:

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.
Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Seems to me that just being extremely racist, to the point of putting a Dixie Flag on your pickup or front porch, is a bit crazy. Do you think that the church shooter's neighbors just thought to themselves "he's a racist but he would never shoot up a black church?" I think a lot of extremists have been shown to have violent tendencies.


It seems like Dixie Flags and assault rifles go together.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/white-supremacists-rally-for-god-and-confederate-flag-at-stone-mountain/

When it comes to exhibiting racism, I'd say that solely 'putting a Dixie Flag on your pickup or front porch' is pretty low on the spectrum.

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tourne said:

Woot said:

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.
Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Seems to me that just being extremely racist, to the point of putting a Dixie Flag on your pickup or front porch, is a bit crazy. Do you think that the church shooter's neighbors just thought to themselves "he's a racist but he would never shoot up a black church?" I think a lot of extremists have been shown to have violent tendencies.


It seems like Dixie Flags and assault rifles go together.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/white-supremacists-rally-for-god-and-confederate-flag-at-stone-mountain/

I don't really have a horse in this race but I have to say that, at this point, you are just making yourself look silly.

Klinker said:

tourne said:

Woot said:

tourne said:
Well ok, except that the guy who shot up the church recently was apparently mired in the Dixie Flag and other domestic terrorists see it as a symbol of their white supremacy.
Here are a few things to ponder
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/12/fifteen-confederate-‘flaggers’-indicted-terroristic-threats-and-gang-activity-georgia
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/31/confederate-flag-american-swastika/30948275/


And here is a real good one. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/07/the-religious-roots-of-domestic-terror.html


I don't think killing people is "much ado about nothing."

Using murde is a bad comparison. He killed people because he was crazy and racist and its waaaaaaaay to easy to obtain guns in our country.
Yes the flag conjures hate and racism. But people with guns murder people, not people with flags.

Seems to me that just being extremely racist, to the point of putting a Dixie Flag on your pickup or front porch, is a bit crazy. Do you think that the church shooter's neighbors just thought to themselves "he's a racist but he would never shoot up a black church?" I think a lot of extremists have been shown to have violent tendencies.


It seems like Dixie Flags and assault rifles go together.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/white-supremacists-rally-for-god-and-confederate-flag-at-stone-mountain/

I don't really have a horse in this race but I have to say that, at this point, you are just making yourself look silly.

Haha that site is awesome. According to your column, racists can only be racists if they believe in God- specifically, a Christian God. You've piped up and added guns to the discussion. Reversing, people who are religious and respect gun rights are probably racists.

What lovely, not completely barking moonbat mad reading has been shared, filled with logical consistency of thought and reasonable conclusions! (as I edge slowly to the door, frozen smile on my face, placating hands held at shoulder level, palms out).

Freeway, Applebee's is convenient if you want to pick up some ammo at Dick's.

I don't care about Rebel flags. I still want a General Lee Charger, even a replica would be OK.

Seriously, since the change over to the new software and the loss of a lot of the more radical posters I thought MOL was more adult. This thread gives me pause.

Sadly, a lot of not-so-radical posters went away as well. What happened?

bobk said:
Freeway, Applebee's is convenient if you want to pick up some ammo at Dick's.
I don't care about Rebel flags. I still want a General Lee Charger, even a replica would be OK.
Seriously, since the change over to the new software and the loss of a lot of the more radical posters I thought MOL was more adult. This thread gives me pause.

That dick's doesnt sell ammo. The one on 22 in union does.

Black churches in Saint Louis being torched. Wonder if the folks responsible bask in the Dixie Flag? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/22/450897157/a-seventh-church-is-set-on-fire-in-st-louis

tourne said:
Black churches in Saint Louis being torched. Wonder if the folks responsible bask in the Dixie Flag? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/22/450897157/a-seventh-church-is-set-on-fire-in-st-louis

Probably. The more important question is whether the average person you see with the flag is on their way to torch a black church.

KKK flyers left in Lyndhurst showcase Dixie flag. http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2015/10/kkk_recruitment_fliers_left_on_doorsteps_in_nj_town_report_says.html#incart_most-readwarren

I don't think we can dismiss Dixie flag flyers as some sort of non violent protesters anymore.

I find this conversation odd..... I think flying a Dixie flag is offensive in certain parts of the country is offensive (think North). In other parts,(think South) it is not seen so much as offensive as a mark of ignorance and being proud of it.

There is also a not insignificant number of people in the south who are proud of their family heritage, usually this doesn't involve slave owning. Perhaps they seek to show their flag without fully understanding how offended others are. The educated people, of course are not showing the confederate flag because they understand the baggage.

Educated people in the South who have left racial discriminate for generations, do not fly the Dixie flag, but they might know others who do, which doesn't make it right, more like a problem to be swept under the carpet. The north is also not exempt from racial injustice.

From a historical vantage, I am always intrigued by this stuff, because I am both a DAR and DOC, but as for the DOC people, they didn't really seem to care that I was a minority, they were excited to have me, me, not so much .I'm a bastard on the DAR side which they did not want to hear about.

1. I have ancestry on both sides, neither of which is particularly savory, but I think it just makes me a gRden variety American, because all these people were dead before my grandparents were alice