Airline passenger CHOKES another for reclining her seat. Discuss....

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Do you really believe that because you're not too bothered by the usual conditions on airline flights that therefore no one else should be bothered? Surely you know that people have different levels of tolerance for such things?

Look, mjh, we have reasons for doing things the way that we do them. We say "half an hour" to control the herds of walking mozzarella sticks who think that three hundred dollars and a photo ID gives them the right to fly through the air like one of the guardian owls of legend!

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Benadryl is great

mjh said:

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Do you really believe that because you're not too bothered by the usual conditions on airline flights that therefore no one else should be bothered? Surely you know that people have different levels of tolerance for such things?

Yes, I don't think it's necessary to abuse substances to fly. Use is a different thing.

mjh said:

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Do you really believe that because you're not too bothered by the usual conditions on airline flights that therefore no one else should be bothered? Surely you know that people have different levels of tolerance for such things?

Flying coach on US Carriers is inhumane. Admittedly I am 6'2" tall, but the seats are a perfect size (if not reclined into their faces) for my pre-teen children. It is absolutely horrible. And sadly necessary. When people try to recline in front of me on short flights, I can not move my legs. Reclining on a non-overnight flight in a US economy class is inconsiderate.

mbaldwin said:

mjh said:

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Do you really believe that because you're not too bothered by the usual conditions on airline flights that therefore no one else should be bothered? Surely you know that people have different levels of tolerance for such things?

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I'll stick with 2 bloody marys

Woot said:
I'll stick with 2 bloody marys

Me too.

Oh, did you say "stick"? I thought you said "start".

I'll start with 2 bloody marys.

Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

mjh said:

mbaldwin said:

ridski said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:

mbaldwin said:

jasper said:
No matter how much extra you're willing to pay for a more humane seating arrangement, as long as there are people flattened into economy seats on the same plane as yours, causing them to start choking each other, your plane is going back to the airport from whence it came, and your trip is just as ruined as everyone else's.

I'm hoping we can all agree that choking a fellow passenger is not a normal reaction, right?

I'm hoping we can all agree that not all passengers are normal, and when stressed beyond a certain point, even normal people can fly into a rage. Or a panic, which can ultimately cause the same issue of needing to bring the plane down.

The vast majority of these incidents seem to be linked to alcohol / substance abuse, IIRC

Which is sadly necessary to endure these heinous flights

It's not.

Do you really believe that because you're not too bothered by the usual conditions on airline flights that therefore no one else should be bothered? Surely you know that people have different levels of tolerance for such things?

I'm bothered, but I have to make the best of it. I fly regularly and have yet to see someone "freak out" on a flight, so I gather that most folks just deal with it, too.

If it does truly bother someone, there are relatively inexpensive ways to get a bit of extra room. Guess I just don't think getting hammered is one of them -- and neither does the FAA.

bramzzoinks said:
Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

Crap. Another time I agree with Zoinks.

A Xanax, however, whoooole different story. Makes all the difference.

mbaldwin said:

bramzzoinks said:
Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

Crap. Another time I agree with Zoinks.
A Xanax, however, whoooole different story. Makes all the difference. ">

I finally agree. But what happened to your holier than thou approach to substance abuse?

Woot said:

mbaldwin said:

bramzzoinks said:
Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

Crap. Another time I agree with Zoinks.
A Xanax, however, whoooole different story. Makes all the difference. ">

I finally agree. But what happened to your holier than thou approach to substance abuse?

Using alcohol or prescription drugs is not the same as abusing them. Also, refer to the grinning emoticon in my previous post that you responded to.

Is anyone really pro-substance abuse??

bramzzoinks said:
Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

It's not as dumb as stabbing yourself in the knees.

Anyway, I rarely have anything more than a glass of wine with dinner on a flight these days.

BEFORE the flight, however, all bets are off.

mbaldwin said:
Is anyone really pro substance abuse??

Thou?

RobB said:

mbaldwin said:
Is anyone really pro substance abuse??

Thou?

Huh?

"You're in a seat, in the Sky!!" Louie CK is great

ridski said:

Woot said:
I'll stick with 2 bloody marys

Me too.
Oh, did you say "stick"? I thought you said "start".
I'll start with 2 bloody marys.

And a Xanax. Carry on.

mbaldwin said:

bramzzoinks said:
Drinking during a flight is one of the dumbest things to do. For many reasons.

Crap. Another time I agree with Zoinks.
A Xanax, however, whoooole different story. Makes all the difference. ">

I should have read farther along....

ctrzaska said:

ridski said:

Woot said:
I'll stick with 2 bloody marys

Me too.
Oh, did you say "stick"? I thought you said "start".
I'll start with 2 bloody marys.

And a Xanax. Carry on.

You guys talk about Xanax like it's available in Hudson News.

Yet anotherAmEx perk. Helps take the sting out of the airfare upgrade bill.

Also available in the secret lounge for those with platnemerold status.

Where is the thread entitled "Passenger TORTURES another by reclining her seat". I could barely walk off the plane the last time I flew to SFO because the bastard in front of me had crushed my knees.

I like the use of entitled there instead of titled. It pretty much sums it up. You are entitled to what you pay for. They are trying to get as much as they can out of as many as possible. Don't like it, pay more or don't fly.

I think when a person purchases an airline ticket and is given a seat, and that seat reclines, then implicit in that ticket, in that reserved seat is the space that allows them to recline. I understand that this may cause discomfort for the passenger behind, but I think the airline is at fault here, not the passenger, who is simply availing him or herself of the space they have been afforded by the airline. Any passenger who does not have enough space when the person in front of them reclines has a variety of options. One can pay more for more room, fly a different airline, or not go at all. I didn't really "get" the complaints until earlier this year when I flew United to Florida. I'm 5'6 and with the seat down, even just a little, there was barely an inch between my knees and the seat. I can't imagine how anyone taller could fit. I dont blame the passenger in front of me or to my side for my discomfort. I blame the airline. In my entire life, I have never been so uncomfortably packed in on a flight. I will never fly United again. If my choice is to pay more to fly another airline, fly United, or not go, I will either pay more or just not go.

I blame the person in front of me who reclines copletely. It's inconsiderate.

sarahzm said:
I think when a person purchases an airline ticket and is given a seat, and that seat reclines, then implicit in that ticket, in that reserved seat is the space that allows them to recline. I understand that this may cause discomfort for the passenger behind, but I think the airline is at fault here, not the passenger, who is simply availing him or herself of the space they have been afforded by the airline. Any passenger who does not have enough space when the person in front of them reclines has a variety of options. One can pay more for more room, fly a different airline, or not go at all. I didn't really "get" the complaints until earlier this year when I flew United to Florida. I'm 5'6 and with the seat down, even just a little, there was barely an inch between my knees and the seat. I can't imagine how anyone taller could fit. I dont blame the passenger in front of me or to my side for my discomfort. I blame the airline. In my entire life, I have never been so uncomfortably packed in on a flight. I will never fly United again. If my choice is to pay more to fly another airline, fly United, or not go, I will either pay more or just not go.

Why blame the person who is doing the one thing their chair can do

ridski said:
Why blame the person who is doing the one thing their chair can do

Because it's inconsiderate.

Let's go Mets!!!!

jeffl said:

ridski said:
Why blame the person who is doing the one thing their chair can do

Because it's inconsiderate.


Let's go Mets!!!!

Would you blame them if they had to recline to breathe because the persons in front of them reclined?

Perhaps the reclining passenger thought he was in the no choking section?

Problem solved if everyone could just cline right the first time.