# release the documents

Republicans refused for months to reauthorize funding for CHIP.  Now suddenly they attach CHIP to the government funding proposal and claim that Democrats refuse to fund CHIP. 

Wake up AJC. Republicans have the White House, Senate, and House.  And you are trying to blame Democrats for a possible shutdown.

ajc said:

ml1 said:

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

#fakenews

The "Schumer Shut Down" will be one more nail in his coffin, and the eventual downfall of the Democratic Party...

Art, you really shouldn’t have eaten the paste all those years ago.  

ajc said:

"But this is what we're being told to pay attention to by Messrs. Ajc and Surovell, so pay attention."

That's true, pay attention to us; but listen and learn more from The Three Amigos... Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin...

I think it was the huffing of the mimeograph paper.

Red_Barchetta said:

Art, you really shouldn’t have eaten the paste all those years ago.  

ajc said:

"But this is what we're being told to pay attention to by Messrs. Ajc and Surovell, so pay attention."

That's true, pay attention to us; but listen and learn more from The Three Amigos... Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin...

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

Stupid?

 Helping young people who need help is better than spending money for young people to kill and be killed.

LOST said:

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

Stupid?

 Helping young people who need help is better than spending money for young people to kill and be killed.

Let them eat pancakes.

And let the record show that Trump is a racist pig and Art and Paul both defend him.    Stupid is, as, well, stupid is.

Art, are you also on Putin's payroll?   

sbenois said:

And let the record show that Trump is a racist pig and Art and Paul both defend him.    Stupid is, as, well, stupid is.

Art, are you also on Putin's payroll?   

And sbenois, who demonstrated his brilliance by attacking me for months because I questioned CIA lies about WMDs, shows he's still the same knee-jerk hawk (emphasis on jerk) drinking the same CIA kool-aid and attacking anyone who doesn't.

The Government shutdown that is about to happen is the fault of Trump. Last Tuesday he said he was for a deal on Immigration and DACA in the public meeting with the Dems and Republicans and then changed his mind two days later and everything started falling apart.

Lindsay Graham just voted against the Resolution to fund the government as did some other Republicans including Rand Paul and Mike Lee as did almost all the Dems.

I'm not attacking "anyone".  I'm attacking you.  Because you deserve it for all of your gobbledeegook parsing of every word and syllable written or uttered in order to somehow get you to this bizarro single end point you care of "we need to stop the nuclear madness with Russia" while you look the other way at all of the destruction that Trump has given ALL of us by an election that you helped to facilitate with your ambiguous support for Hillary.   

Your inability to connect the dots in the big picture is astounding.  

 But do me a favor and don't bother answering because it's no longer 2003-2014 and I don't have the energy to go down into parsing world with you.   

Thanks.

sbenois said:

I'm not attacking "anyone".  I'm attacking you.  Because you deserve it for all of your gobbledeegook parsing of every word and syllable written or uttered in order to somehow get you to this bizarro single end point you care of "we need to stop the nuclear madness with Russia" while you look the other way at all of the destruction that Trump has given ALL of us by an election that you helped to facilitate with your ambiguous support for Hillary.   

Your inability to connect the dots in the big picture is astounding.  

 But do me a favor and don't bother answering because it's no longer 2003-2014 and I don't have the energy to go down into parsing world with you.   

Thanks.

I'm not sure which is greater -- your ignorance or your bizarre ideas.

And I'm sure you don't want to "parse" your hero-worship of Bibi Netanyahu, Trump/Kushner's closest ally, enemy of Barack Obama.

According to your strange logic, you apparently "facilitated" Trump's disastrous decision to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

paulsurovell said:

And I'm sure you don't want to "parse" your hero-worship of Bibi Netanyahu, Trump/Kushner's closest ally, enemy of Barack Obama.

According to your strange logic, you apparently "facilitated" Trump's disastrous decision to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

I know you don't mean it that way but many people would take the foregoing remarks as far more anti-semetic than what Simpson said to Congress. 

Republicans are split on whether to release the Memo to the public.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/house-republicans-clash-release-the-memo-351132

BTW calling it a "document" implies that it is some secret item that was just discovered, an original source, rather than a report written by Committee staffers based on sources.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

And I'm sure you don't want to "parse" your hero-worship of Bibi Netanyahu, Trump/Kushner's closest ally, enemy of Barack Obama.

According to your strange logic, you apparently "facilitated" Trump's disastrous decision to move our embassy to Jerusalem.

I know you don't mean it that way but many people would take the foregoing remarks as far more anti-semetic than what Simpson said to Congress. 

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

Please release the memo so we can all see that it's bullsh#t.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-mueller-fbi-doj-house-gop_us_5a613a58e4b01d91b25446b5

"House Republicans spent the end of the workweek telling everyone who would listen that the American people must be allowed to see a top-secret four-page document that could bring an end to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference with the 2016 elections.

One thing about that document: Republican staffers wrote it."

They wrote it and have the authority to release it but it's more effective to shroud it in mystery and innuendo for a while. Gotta get their gullible audience primed.

paulsurovell said:

The thread title refers to calls to release the document, which also takes the form #releasethememo #releasethememos #releasethedoument #releasethe doucments, etc.


MSNBC, CNN, NYT and WaPo did not cover this story.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-rally-for-public-release-of-memo-on-fisa-abuses/article/2646412

The New York Times covered it. Looks like they gathered information about it, and didn't just rely on hashtags or what Fox said about it.  

"A senior Democratic staff member on the House Intelligence Committee said the memo drew on classified documents that have been shown only to Representative Devin Nunes, Mr. Schiff and four staff members. “It’s like they put out a book review of a book they never read,” said Representative Eric Swalwell, Democrat of California, who serves on the committee. 

"Seeded throughout the memo, Democrats said, were characterizations of law enforcement officials as nefariously biased in favor of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. Mr. Swalwell said he feared it would cause lasting damage to the F.B.I.’s reputation, adding, “It is clear to me that they are just trying to put a cloud over Mueller,” referring to Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/politics/republicans-surveillance-trump-russia-inquiry.html

If the Dems can ever run their own investigation, they need to investigate the massive number of misleading, clearly Anti-Hillary leaks that came out of the FBI immediately after the Comey October announcement. I've never seen anything like it. Remember the "hundreds of thousands of emails" that now needed to be investigated?

It's quite ironic (isn't it always) that now the Repubs are claiming the FBI has an anti-Trump bias. (though personally, I'd be upset if the FBI, or any federal agency, did NOT have an anti Trump bias. It's the only moral position to take.)

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

I know Sbenois. I have never met David Friedman. Based on what you say Friedman said, your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.

Not everyone who opposes Netanyahu or opposes Trump's "recognition" of Jeruselum as the Capital of Israel is an anti-Semite. And everyone who takes the opposite view is not an opponent of Palestinian Human Rights.

Now back to our regular programming.

The serendipitous delights of a comma:

“Based on what you say Friedman said, your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

“Based on what you say, Friedman said your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

There is a lot of confusion in your post that needs to be cleared up.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

I know Sbenois.

So do I.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

  I have never met David Friedman.

Neither have I.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

Based on what you say Friedman said your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.

I compared Sbenois' strong support of Netanyahu with Trump's strong support of Netanyahu.  That is a factual comparison.

I quoted Friedman in response to your statement that my earlier comment (that Trump's embassy move to Jerusalem would be "disastrous") would be called "anti-Semitic" by "many people." I pointed out the motivation behind such accusations of "anti-Semitism" and I cited Friedman's quotes as examples. I did not attribute Friedman's comments to Sbenois.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

Not everyone who opposes Netanyahu or opposes Trump's "recognition" of Jeruselum as the Capital of Israel is an anti-Semite. And everyone who takes the opposite view is not an opponent of Palestinian Human Rights.

As noted above, the term "anti-Semite" is used by people, such as Trump's ambassador Friedman, against advocates of a Palestinian state and Palestinian human rights, such as Obama and J Street. Trump's decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem is opposed by most of the world as major blow to the peace process, in which the ultimate status of Jerusalem is subject to negotiation.

If you doubt that the embassy move to Jerusalem would undermine Palestinian human rights, just ask the Palestinians:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/14/jerusalem-capital-israel-palestine-cnn-msnbc-fox/

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-42684082

I hope the above helps clarify these issues.

comma comma comma comma comma chameleon....

DaveSchmidt said:

The serendipitous delights of a comma:

“Based on what you say Friedman said, your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

“Based on what you say, Friedman said your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

DaveSchmidt said:

The serendipitous delights of a comma:

“Based on what you say Friedman said, your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

“Based on what you say, Friedman said your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.”

Thanks. I corrected it. Mrs. Corcoran would be pleased.

Whew. Spares me two pages of back-and-forth over whether nobody really ever met Friedman.

DaveSchmidt said:

Whew. Spares me two pages of back-and-forth over whether nobody really ever met Friedman.

Or who knows Sbenois.

paulsurovell said:

DaveSchmidt said:

Whew. Spares me two pages of back-and-forth over whether nobody really ever met Friedman.

Or who knows Sbenois.

Possible readings:

"Or, who knows Sbenois."

"Or who knows, Sbenois."

Since this is the same person who is labelling Steele from Fusion as "antisemitic" on the long thread defending Trump (just because Steele is a threat, or whatever reason) this whole post below is ironic. 

paulsurovell said:

There is a lot of confusion in your post that needs to be cleared up.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

I know Sbenois.

So do I.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

  I have never met David Friedman.

Neither have I.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

Based on what you say Friedman said your comparison of Sbenois to him is disgraceful.

I compared Sbenois' strong support of Netanyahu with Trump's strong support of Netanyahu.  That is a factual comparison.


I quoted Friedman in response to your statement that my earlier comment (that Trump's embassy move to Jerusalem would be "disastrous") would be called "anti-Semitic" by "many people." I pointed out the motivation behind such accusations of "anti-Semitism" and I cited Friedman's quotes as examples. I did not attribute Friedman's comments to Sbenois.

LOST said:

paulsurovell said:

Yes, those are people who make such claims to discredit supporters of Palestinian human rights and an independent Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

Trump's ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, is one of those people. He called Pres Obama an anti-Semite and the J Street group as worse than "kapos" (Nazi collaborators). Friedman, like Trump and sbenois, is a strong supporter of Bibi Netanayahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/16/world/middleeast/David-Friedman-Israel-Palestinians-Trump-quotes.html

Not everyone who opposes Netanyahu or opposes Trump's "recognition" of Jeruselum as the Capital of Israel is an anti-Semite. And everyone who takes the opposite view is not an opponent of Palestinian Human Rights.

As noted above, the term "anti-Semite" is used by people, such as Trump's ambassador Friedman, against advocates of a Palestinian state and Palestinian human rights, such as Obama and J Street. Trump's decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem is opposed by most of the world as major blow to the peace process, in which the ultimate status of Jerusalem is subject to negotiation.


If you doubt that the embassy move to Jerusalem would undermine Palestinian human rights, just ask the Palestinians:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/14/jerusalem-capital-israel-palestine-cnn-msnbc-fox/


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-42684082

I hope the above helps clarify these issues.

Or, who knows?  Sbenois.

South_Mountaineer said:

paulsurovell said:

DaveSchmidt said:

Whew. Spares me two pages of back-and-forth over whether nobody really ever met Friedman.

Or who knows Sbenois.

Possible readings:

"Or, who knows Sbenois."

"Or who knows, Sbenois."

sometimes I know, sbenois, sorry!

South_Mountaineer said:

Since this is the same person who is labelling Steele from Fusion as "antisemitic" on the long thread defending Trump (just because Steele is a threat, or whatever reason) this whole post below is ironic. 

paulsurovell said:

@South_Mountaineer left out a few details about what was said on the "other thread." Here's what happened:

I posted 2 Tweets by Russian expert Sean Guillory quoting Fusion head Glenn Simpson (not Steele).  Simpson said, among other things, that "Putin essentially took over the Russian Jewish community" and Guillory concluded that Simpson was engaging in:

"flat-out antisemitism . . . Putin + Jews = Trump" and I posted, "I agree."

However, South_Mountaineer responded: "Is the comment antisemitic, or was he just explaining the relationship?  I think you need more in order to make that charge."

and I answered : "I think this is a reasonable criticism."

- - - - - - -

On the matter of "irony," let's consider South_Mountaineer -- who I think I know -- who attacks me for "defending Trump," but is silent on Trump's signature foreign policy "achievement" -- blowing up the Israeli-Palestinian peace process through his policy on Jerusalem.

On the other hand, maybe South_Mountaineer actually opposes Trump's appointment of Friedman and his policy on Jerusalem, but he just thought it was more important to distort what I said about Simpson.

is there anything more McCarthyite than running around with a piece of paper saying it details law-breaking, while refusing to release it?