# release the documents

if anyone doesn't want these documents released, it's because they don't want the public to actually know anything about the process of how these secret FISA tribunals are issuing warrants.  It's not going to be because the documents are going to show some sort of political "witch hunt" was going on.

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

So, House Republicans want to release the records in order to show the alleged abuse of FISA by the FBI, and yet 201 of them voted to reauthorize sec. 702 without any additional safeguards against its abuse.  (Yes, 55 Democrats voted to reauthorize it.) 

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

#fakenews

ml1 said:

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

#fakenews

The "Schumer Shut Down" will be one more nail in his coffin, and the eventual downfall of the Democratic Party...

ml1 said:
 

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

#fakenews

The "#fakenews" label doesn't even begin to describe that statement.  Only the "Hannitized" could think there was any accuracy or basic logic in that statement.

nohero said:

ml1 said:
 

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

#fakenews

The "#fakenews" label doesn't even begin to describe that statement.  Only the "Hannitized" could think there was any accuracy or basic logic in that statement.

the only people who will believe it are the people who would never vote Democratic anyway.  So the Democrats have nothing to fear politically from this particular example of phony outrage.

So, Republicans control the House, Senate, and White House, but any shutdown is the fault of the Democrats.  I love it.   

one of the issues that the GOP is dealing with right now is that between Trump's statements and seemingly contradictory tweets, is that none of them know whether or not he would actually sign a spending bill that they passed. 

The strategy for Republican congressional leaders is also complicated by Trump, who seems to be veering back and forth on whether a deal should be made and what should be in the deal. The unpredictability of Trump -- as expressed most purely via his Twitter feed -- makes the job of cutting a deal (or even figuring out what should be in the deal) that much more difficult. "I'm looking for something that President Trump supports," McConnell said on Wednesday. "And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign." 
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/trump-shrug-shutdown-analysis/index.html

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

Lost me at "you talk about a post-constitutional America mark. Your books on the constitution are phenomenal, must-read by anybody who cares about it. We're seeing a Presidential candidate fix a primary..."

Where does the Constitution talk about primaries? Or political parties for that matter. The two of them are monkeys throwing their feces at the camera.

ajc said:

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

Do you want to deport the dreamers?

ajc said:

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

More BS from AJC who supports white nationalist racists.

ajc said:

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

Yes, serious. The military budget and DACA legislation are not mutually exclusive. 

I wasn't aware that funding was the issue with DACA. 

ajc said:

And, let the record show that the advocates of DACA have become the opponents of funding the military... Stupid is as stupid does

Yup, always convenient to haul out the military. Yes, DACA folks don't want to fund the military. That's why they want to stay here - so the country becomes as unstable as the countries they and parents fled from. It's an odd philosophy, but hey, they're "furriners."

ajc said:

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

what a load of crap.

The military will continue to operate in the case of a government shutdown.  The pay of military personnel will be delayed.  But they will be paid.

and for good measure, Americans are blaming Trump and the GOP for the looming shutdown:

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds substantially greater Republican risk in a government shutdown, with Americans by a 20-point margin saying they’re more likely to blame Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress than the congressional Democrats if one occurs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-trump-republicans-government-shuts-poll/story?id=52465107

My sense is that people are far angrier at the President than they are at Congress re the shutdown—an interesting turn!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2013

South_Mountaineer said:

I could be wrong, but maybe the controversy about releasing the memo is worth more to them than what's actually in it. 

DaveSchmidt said:

According to the Examiner article, what’s needed to release the memo to the public is a vote by the House Intelligence Committee and a go-ahead from the White House. Republicans control the committee 13 to 9 and the White House 1 to 0. And this requires a hashtag campaign?

Exactly. Republicans tried this with the Simpson testimony until Feinstein undermined them.

jamie said:

ajc said:

"Basic Logic"? Are you serious??? Basic logic will tell you the folks who put Trump in the White House are Red Blooded, Flag Waving Americans who love their military. Any opponents of funding the military in favor of DACA, are putting their political future at stake...

Do you want to deport the dreamers?

HELL NO! But, I see that decision as pretty much up to the Democratic Party. The Deal Maker and the Deal Breaker are talking, so let's see what happens... (as Trump likes to say)

Republicans control all three branches and the decision is up to the Democratic party?    

AJC was always quick to blame Obama and clearly in this case Trump is the problem.  

And total faux outrage about the military --

mikescott said:

Republicans control all three branches and the decision is up to the Democratic party?    

AJC was always quick to blame Obama and clearly in this case Trump is the problem.  

And total faux outrage about the military --

There's yer bottom line, ma'am. POTUS, Senate, and House...they don't need no stinking' dems. They need to get their own house in order...or rather, their own Senate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1

The first five posts in this thread were poetry.

Summary from Hannity last night, on what it's all about.

HANNITY: All right, huge breaking news tonight. Now, we have been telling you it's coming. It is now here. Stunning reporting tonight from Sara Carter that we are confirming with our sources.

Classified DOJ documents that members of Congress are now reviewing it shows widespread and extensive FISA abuses against the Trump campaign. And we have names.

Now, here is how it all went down. At the last minute at the House, they finally got literally within an hour, their subpoena requests approved by the DOJ. Members of Congress were able to get their hands on all these classified documents. Now, at the last minute, Rod Rosenstein tried to stop it by going into Paul Ryan's office. Paul Ryan would have none of it.

Now, it is more disturbing than we ever thought. And at this hour, our sources are telling us that the abusive power is far bigger than Watergate. Remember, Watergate was a third rate break-in. What we're talking about tonight is the systematic abuse of power, the weaponizing of those powerful tools of intelligence, and the shredding of our Fourth Amendment constitutional rights that protect all of us against unlawful search and seizure.

It is complicated but it's also simple. We're going to break it all down for new a way that I hope is easy to understand. Now, go back to the Watergate comparison for a minute. We have a group of people who tried to cover up the lead up to an election. They broke in. They stole things they shouldn't have stole from the opposition.

What we're talking about tonight is an abuse of the powerful tools of intelligence that we use to spy on people, except those tools were used against an opposition candidate, and a president-elect, and his entire team. And it was done not only under false pretenses, but with the help of Hillary Clinton. She bought and paid for the dossier that they filled with Russian lies, propaganda, salacious details that were never true. And that dossier was corroborated, we now know, by a long-time Clinton ally and sycophant.

Now, here are the people that we're going to learn an awful lot about in the next couple of weeks. Pay very close attention. They are the highest ranks of the Department of Justice in your FBI. And tonight, we can confirm that the Trump-hating, Clinton-loving, FBI agent Peter Strzok and his mistress, FBI lawyer Lisa Page, they are at the nexus of everything and there is so much more information coming.

Now, at the end of all of this, we're going to learn an awful lot beyond any shadow of a doubt that the special counsel, Robert Mueller and his band of Democratic witch-hunters never should have been appointed and they need to be disbanded immediately. Now, here's why Strzok and Page are connected to everything.

What we're learning tonight is that these two Trump-hating individuals, they are at the heart and soul and center of it all. Remember, we still have 9,600 texts of theirs between each other that we haven't seen yet. And we're expecting that some of them will be released tomorrow. And everything that we have learned so far about Strzok and Page is now beginning to make sense. Let me explain. They called Trump an idiot, a loathsome human and said F Trump. And, by the way, the meaning by behind this particular text message is now tonight coming into clear focus.

Remember Strzok, he wrote his mistress, Page, "I want to believe the path that you threw out for consideration in Andy's office that there is no way he gets elected, but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40."

Now, we believe here at Fox that Andy, mentioned in that text, is the FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. And this text message was sent on August the 15th of 2016. This is a very critical time frame and here's why. Around the exact same time that Strzok and Page are talking about their insurance policy, well, the Obama administration officials are going to the FISA court to get a warrant on Carter Page.

Stay with me. They are using Carter Page as a pretext to really spy on the Trump campaign. And now, it is transparent to all of us what Strzok was saying to page when they spoke about the insurance policy with Andy -- we believe Andrew McCabe in that text message, needing that insurance policy.

Now, everyone seems to forget Lisa Page is a key legal counselor for McCabe. See how it all ties together? And, listen, when they are sending the text messages about an insurance policy, they are also going to the FISA court.

Now, sources are telling us tonight that the first time they tried to get the FISA warrant against Carter Page was in the summer. It was denied. Then the second time they tried to get it in the early fall, they used the phony Clinton bought and paid for dossier. And this time, they were successful for one reason. The fake news dossier put the request over the top. It was the final nail in the coffin to get the FISA warrant out there against Trump.

Now, you can forget about the reporting about George Papadopoulos running his mouth at a nightclub to an Australian diplomat. Any lawyer is going to tell you that that four-way hearsay, that's never going to hold up in court. Hearsay doesn't hold up in court.

So, back to Carter Page and the FISA warrant on him. It's a very important variety of things happening here. At that point the Obama administration, they should have known that the dossier was totally false, full of salacious Russian lies. It should have been suspect on its face value. Now, Fusion GPS, they never even verified what was in that dossier, never tried, because they trusted Christopher Steele who they hired, who put it all together. The same Christopher Steele would reportedly, you know, pay Russians to get information. And by his very nature, think about it, he has a former MI-6 guy. He was highly skilled in deception.

So, tonight, sources who were familiar with this classified information, only Congress can see it right now. They are telling me that it's a case of show me the man and I will show you the crime.

All right. Now that you are up to speed on that part. We have a lot of questions for key people involved. Now, we need to know what all of these top Obama administration officials knew and when they found out, and exactly how they were involved in spying on an opposition campaign and an incoming president.

Now, our questions don't end there. What did Hillary Clinton know? Her campaign know? The DNC that she controlled know? We know they paid Fusion GPS, what, 12 billion plus dollars to put this phony dossier together. Did she know this was happening and when did she know it?

What did President Obama know? Was he briefed about the dossier before the election? Now, we believe he was.

To sum it all up, Clinton fixed the primary, remember, against Bernie Sanders. Then Peter Strzok and James Comey -- well, they fixed the investigation into her emails by exonerating her before even investigating that particular case. That allowed Clinton to stay in the race and at the same time, Strzok his mistress, Lisa Page, deputy FBI Director McCabe seemed to be on a mission, an insurance policy mission to destroy Trump. Insurance policy in case God forbid he wins, we don't think it's going to happen. And it's clear they were using the powerful tools of intelligence and a FISA warrant to have a backup plan in case Hillary lost.

This is far worse than Watergate. This is an abuse of surveillance and intelligence to win an election, a massive abuse of power. And it was all done by just a few people who think and thought they knew better than you about who should be the president of the United States.

This is only the tip of the spear. It is the biggest national scandal by far in our lifetime.

I know, he says "tip of the spear" when he probably means "tip of the iceberg".  And sure, he sounds like someone who starts ranting next to you at a bar or on the subway.  But this is what we're being told to pay attention to by Messrs. Ajc and Surovell, so pay attention.

"But this is what we're being told to pay attention to by Messrs. Ajc and Surovell, so pay attention."

That's true, pay attention to us; but listen and learn more from The Three Amigos... Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levin...

I'm still waiting for the results of Hannity's Seth Rich murder investigation.

nohero said:

Summary from Hannity last night, on what it's all about.

Now, you can forget about the reporting about George Papadopoulos running his mouth at a nightclub to an Australian diplomat. Any lawyer is going to tell you that that four-way hearsay, that's never going to hold up in court. Hearsay doesn't hold up in court.

I guess Sean didn't get the memo that the Australian government confirmed the story. 

07079 said:

http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1

Of course.