Im not sure who the best pick is, but my least favorite option would be Harris. Not because of harris herself, but because I think she would help Biden’s chances of winning the least. Biden is a lock to win California and he’s very strong with African American voters. So Harris seems to add next to nothing electorally.
You may not be able to see Harris as anything other than Black but she would be the first Asian American President in US History.
So? Are you saying she will bring the Asian vote? And if so is that a targeted demographic?
So? Are you saying she will bring the Asian vote? And if so is that a targeted demographic?
I think I was more commenting on the inherent racism of seeing a woman who is half Indian, half Jamaican and 100% American as simply "black". Sort of speaks to a lot of what is wrong with America.
I think I was more commenting on the inherent racism of seeing a woman who is half Indian, half Jamaican and 100% American as simply "black". Sort of speaks to a lot of what is wrong with America.
And she is a Member of the Black Caucus. From Wikipedia:
As of 2019, there have been eight African-American senators since the caucus's founding. The six black U.S. senators, all Democrats, who are or have been members of the Congressional Black Caucus are Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, elected in 2013, and Senator Kamala Harris of California, elected in 2016, both currently serving; former senators Carol Moseley Braun (1993–1999), Barack Obama (2005–2008) and Roland Burris (2008–2010), all of Illinois; and former senator Mo Cowan (2013) of Massachusetts.
So? Are you saying she will bring the Asian vote? And if so is that a targeted demographic?
I think I was more commenting on the inherent racism of seeing a woman who is half Indian, half Jamaican and 100% American as simply "black". Sort of speaks to a lot of what is wrong with America.
I'll give this some thought, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say seeing/perceiving her African American heritage more prominently than her Asian American heritage as attributable to inherent racism. Based on what I have observed of her, she presents her 'blackness' more than her Asianness.
This is slightly off topic, but this reminds me of a discussion some years ago. There's a landscaper that works around the neighborhood who calls himself the Oriental Gardner. The label is on his trucks. One person was asking a question about him and used this moniker. Another poster took offense and claimed racism on his behalf over this name.
I used the "Oriental Gardner" at one time. He was Vietnamese and said he learned is trade in a Communist "re-education camp". I was not happy with his work and switched to someone else.
I'll give this some thought, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say seeing/perceiving her African American heritage more prominently than her Asian American heritage as attributable to inherent racism..
There are a few million people of mixed race in this country who would probably disagree with you.
I'll give this some thought, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say seeing/perceiving her African American heritage more prominently than her Asian American heritage as attributable to inherent racism..
There are a few million people of mixed race in this country who would probably disagree with you.
How you choose to self-identify and affiliate is a different discussion that involves many things- timing, pride, mobility, safety, and sometimes shame.
In America Kamala Harris is Black. Just like Barack Obama is Black. Neither one gets shortchanged because they have Asian and English, Scottish, Irish or German heritage. Her Jamaican "half" is African (formerly enslaved) and English (slaver).
Any isms at work here are the standards- sexism and good ol American anti-Black racism.
How you choose to self-identify and affiliate is a different discussion that involves many things- timing, pride, mobility, safety, and sometimes shame.
In America Kamala Harris is Black. Just like Barack Obama is Black. Neither one gets shortchanged because they have Asian and English, Scottish, Irish or German heritage. Her Jamaican "half" is African (formerly enslaved) and English (slaver).
Any isms at work here are the standards- sexism and good ol American anti-Black racism.
Has it ever occurred to you that the "other half", in this case Indian Americans, might see things differently?
How you choose to self-identify and affiliate is a different discussion that involves many things- timing, pride, mobility, safety, and sometimes shame.
In America Kamala Harris is Black. Just like Barack Obama is Black. Neither one gets shortchanged because they have Asian and English, Scottish, Irish or German heritage. Her Jamaican "half" is African (formerly enslaved) and English (slaver).
Any isms at work here are the standards- sexism and good ol American anti-Black racism.
Has it ever occurred to you that the "other half", in this case Indian Americans, might see things differently?
Might see what differently? In America Kamala Harris is Black. Ms. Harris is free to self identify as whoever she likes and Indian Americans are free to find pride in her accomplishments as someone with whom they share heritage- or not. Little of that carries much weight with concern to how she is categorized and perceived by American society- which is as a Black woman.
Might see what differently? In America Kamala Harris is Black. Ms. Harris is free to self identify as whoever she likes and Indian Americans are free to find pride in her accomplishments as someone with whom they share heritage- or not. Little of that carries much weight with concern to how she is categorized and perceived by American society- which is as a Black woman.
I like the way you define Indian Americans right out of "American Society". Classy, but not unexpected in this time of the "China Virus".
Might see what differently? In America Kamala Harris is Black. Ms. Harris is free to self identify as whoever she likes and Indian Americans are free to find pride in her accomplishments as someone with whom they share heritage- or not. Little of that carries much weight with concern to how she is categorized and perceived by American society- which is as a Black woman.
I like the way you define Indian Americans right out of "American Society". Classy.
Eh? When you described a way that Harris was defined, was I supposed to assume it was your definition, too?
I think I was more commenting on the inherent racism of seeing a woman who is half Indian, half Jamaican and 100% American as simply "black". Sort of speaks to a lot of what is wrong with America.
Isn’t this actually American anti-immigrant sentiment described as anti-Black ‘racism’ for the sake of comparison? Americans, as stated in the article, were expanding on national politics in Italy which held that southern Italians were inherently inferior to northern Italians because of their connection to Africa (Hannibal I presume?). Nothing in American history comes close to the treatment of indigenous Americans, enslaved Africans and their descendants and that includes the horrible treatment endured by early Irish immigrants and the internment of Asian Americans.
Might see what differently? In America Kamala Harris is Black. Ms. Harris is free to self identify as whoever she likes and Indian Americans are free to find pride in her accomplishments as someone with whom they share heritage- or not. Little of that carries much weight with concern to how she is categorized and perceived by American society- which is as a Black woman.
I like the way you define Indian Americans right out of "American Society". Classy, but not unexpected in this time of the "China Virus".
Isn’t this actually American anti-immigrant sentiment described as anti-Black ‘racism’ for the sake of comparison? Americans, as stated in the article, were expanding on national politics in Italy which held that southern Italians were inherently inferior to northern Italians because of their connection to Africa (Hannibal I presume?). Nothing in American history comes close to the treatment of indigenous Americans, enslaved Africans and their descendants and that includes the horrible treatment endured by early Irish immigrants and the internment of Asian Americans.
I do not disagree that treatment of enslaved Africans and their descendants was far worse than what others suffered, even the Japanese-Americans who were actually locked up in concentration camps. However not only was anti-immigrant sentiment against certain groups fueled by racism but those opposed to immigrants for other reasons used racism to gain support. Isn't his exactly what is happening today regarding Mexican and Central American migrants?
I do not think many Italian Americans today are aware of the history set forth in that article. Perhaps knowledge of their own history may help to overcome some of their anti-Black racism.
No, because you do not seem to understand that the majority of people that participated in the Democratic primaries want Biden to be the nominee. I am not saying that Biden was my preferred candidate, but he won the ******* primary election. Which piece of this don't you understand?
No, because you do not seem to understand that the majority of people that participated in the Democratic primaries want Biden to be the nominee. I am not saying that Biden was my preferred candidate, but he won the ******* primary election. Which piece of this don't you understand?
So, you are saying that because Biden got more votes, back when voters had no idea whatsoever that we would be facing the worst pandemic in 100 years AND an economic catastrophe, we should commit ourselves to suffering at least four more years under Trump?
I have to believe that voters cast their ballots for someone they believe to be the best to lead the country through thick or thin, sickness or health. This seems pretty obvious. You don't get to nullify a legitimate election process and result just because the s**t hit the fan.
Now if you're going to say that voters don't know WTF they are doing, that is another conversation, and you will find me in agreement to a large extent.
I used first names.
Here is the comparison of their voting records. Only 18% different and some of those were procedural. As to others I might agree with more with Amy.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/H001075-kamala-harris/compare-votes/K000367-amy-klobuchar/115
Harris agreed with Bernie Sanders more often than Klobuchar agreed with Bernie.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/K000367-amy-klobuchar/compare-votes/S000033-bernard-sanders/115