SOTU
nohero said:
There may have been some slow thinkers in the room, but Biden wasn't one of them.
It's most insulting when "slow thinkers" think they can snooker folks whom they think are slower than they, when it's their slowness that has led them to such a conclusion and thus bares their slowness to all but them...or is it "they? I'm not sure. 
Smedley said:
ml1 said:
but whatever, you're 100% convinced the president is "senile" and there's not much that's likely to change your mind. Especially since "senile" is not a medical term, so it can mean pretty much anything you choose it to mean.
You raise a good point on just what is "senile". It's not a medical term, there is no precise definition, and also it is a loaded word. FWIW, I just did a quick lookup and my context and utilization of the word is in-line with the first definition that comes up via Google: "(of a person) having or showing the weaknesses or diseases of old age, especially a loss of mental faculties."
And yes, I am convinced that Joe Biden has lost mental faculties - some mental faculties, not all mental faculties obviously - and thus is by definition senile. I don't base my opinion on my interpretation of the cue card - nor do I base it on media articles or falling for right-wing tropes - I base my opinion on many direct observations of Joe Biden as presidential candidate and president 2019-present, compared with many observations of Joe Biden as VP and VP candidate 2008-2016.
You think he's the same guy, I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree, as there's no point in re-litigating a topic has been covered ad nauseam.
it's been covered ad nauseum because you keep making the accusation.
I don't think I ever commented that Joe Biden is "the same guy" he was at age 60 or age 65. He's not. Virtually nobody is the same at 80 as they were when they were younger. But taking longer to remember a fact, or forgetting a name, or stumbling over words now and then isn't most people's idea of being "senile." And for most people those aspects of aging don't disqualify someone from the presidency. (Obviously, or he never would have been elected).
it's really insulting to older people to suggest that the normal declines that all of us who live that long will likely experience is "senility."
ml1 said:
it's been covered ad nauseum because you keep making the accusation.
I don't think I ever commented that Joe Biden is "the same guy" he was at age 60 or age 65. He's not. Virtually nobody is the same at 80 as they were when they were younger. But taking longer to remember a fact, or forgetting a name, or stumbling over words now and then isn't most people's idea of being "senile." And for most people those aspects of aging don't disqualify someone from the presidency. (Obviously, or he never would have been elected).
it's really insulting to older people to suggest that the normal declines that all of us who live that long will likely experience is "senility."
i didn't suggest that, this is just your typical empty virtue signaling.
Bernie Sanders is older than Biden and he is sharp as a tack. I'm sure he's lost some muscle mass and some hair, but as a politician, he is very much the same guy as he was 10 or even 20 years ago. HRC and Warren are both near Biden's age, or at least Biden's age in 2019 (when I first perceived his decline), and they are the same as they were 10-20 years ago.
So do you see Sanders, Clinton and Warren taking longer to remember facts and forgetting names? I don't. So that pretty much shoots to hell your assertion that I'm insulting older people in a generalized way.
Smedley said:
ml1 said:
it's been covered ad nauseum because you keep making the accusation.
I don't think I ever commented that Joe Biden is "the same guy" he was at age 60 or age 65. He's not. Virtually nobody is the same at 80 as they were when they were younger. But taking longer to remember a fact, or forgetting a name, or stumbling over words now and then isn't most people's idea of being "senile." And for most people those aspects of aging don't disqualify someone from the presidency. (Obviously, or he never would have been elected).
it's really insulting to older people to suggest that the normal declines that all of us who live that long will likely experience is "senility."
i didn't suggest that, this is just your typical empty virtue signaling.
Bernie Sanders is older than Biden and he is sharp as a tack. I'm sure he's lost some muscle mass and some hair, but as a politician, he is very much the same guy as he was 10 or even 20 years ago. HRC and Warren are both near Biden's age, or at least Biden's age in 2019 (when I first perceived his decline), and they are the same as they were 10-20 years ago.
So do you see Sanders, Clinton and Warren taking longer to remember facts and forgetting names? I don't. So that pretty much shoots to hell your assertion that I'm insulting older people in a generalized way.
if there were cognitive baselines for all those other folks you can be pretty sure not one of them would be immune from some sort of decline. I'm a lot younger than all of them, and I know that there are some things I don't do as quickly or as easily as I did when I was 30 or 40. Chances are Sander, Clinton, and Warren would admit to similar. No one can avoid aging. So yeah, it's insulting to older people if you throw around the word senile for a person who isn't suffering from some sort of clinical disorder.
and fwiw, using the term "virtue signaling" is itself a signal about yourself. It's a loaded term meant to insult people. It adds nothing to your argument. If anything it detracts. If you want to insult me, I'd be more impressed if you came up with something original.
I hardly "throw around the word senile". So if you cavalierly "throw around" mischaracterizations of my opinion, then yeah I see no reason why you would do so, other than you're expressing a moral viewpoint with the intent of communicating good character. Because it doesn't add to your argument.
And your response on Clinton, Warren and Sanders is disingenuous. Of course no one can avoid aging. Duh. And yes, if they all went to neurologists every year, I imagine we would see some change or deterioration over time. But we're not talking about blips on a brain scan or however that would show up. We're talking about whether public figures of a certain age are essentially the same public personas as they were 10-20 years ago. And Sanders, Clinton and Warren are.
Smedley said:
I hardly "throw around the word senile". So if you cavalierly "throw around" mischaracterizations of my opinion, then yeah I see no reason why you would do so, other than you're expressing a moral viewpoint with the intent of communicating good character. Because it doesn't add to your argument.
And your response on Clinton, Warren and Sanders is disingenuous. Of course no one can avoid aging. Duh. And yes, if they all went to neurologists every year, I imagine we would see some change or deterioration over time. But we're not talking about blips on a brain scan or however that would show up. We're talking about whether public figures of a certain age are essentially the same public personas as they were 10-20 years ago. And Sanders, Clinton and Warren are.
it's not a moral viewpoint. It's reacting to you using a word to describe someone you haven't met in person, and don't know a thing about, with regard to his medical history. So yes, throwing the word around.
it's not about morality. it's about just making something up that you have no basis to claim, aside from your own gut reaction.
Okay, fair enough. But note my throwing around of words and gut reaction is not without precedent.
ml1
ridski said:
What's happening in Washington?
After Trump was reminded that the short-legged omnivore was practically synonymous with the Badger State, he'd make a point of bringing it up at seemingly random occasions to his beleaguered chief of staff. "Are they mean to people?" Trump at least twice asked Priebus in the opening months of his presidency. "Or are they friendly creatures?" The president would also ask if Priebus had any photos of badgers he could show him, and if Priebus could carefully explain to him how badgers "work" exactly.
[...]
He wanted Reince—resident White House badger historian, apparently—to explain to him Wisconsin's obsession with the animal, how the little critters function and behave, what kind of food they like, and how aggressive or deadly they could be when presented with perceived existential threats. Trump also wanted to know if the badger had a "personality" or if it was boring. What kind of damage could a badger to do a person with its flashy, sharp claws? An obviously enthralled president would stare at Priebus as the aide struggled for sufficiently placating answers, all the while trying to gently veer the conversation back to whether we were going to do a troop surge in Afghanistan or strip millions of Americans of healthcare coverage.
From Business Insider, quotes from upcoming book, Sinking in the Swamp: How Trump's Minions and Misfits Poisoned Washington.
there is so much about Trump that suggests he's in early stage dementia.
The amount of networking, connection, recall, and just on-point responses from Biden as he goes through the room filled with people after the SOTU is impressive. I'm probably on the younger side of folks posting in this thread, and I could not do this networking as well as Biden does:
Smedley said:
there is so much about Trump that suggests he's in early stage dementia.
fair enough. So when Biden starts bragging about passing a basic cognitive test, I'll shut up about you calling him senile.
Sounds very much like the Toastmasters play list - as former President of my club, and a relatively high level Toast Master, plus regional speech champ I approve.
nohero said:
If the instructions were because he was “senile”, they wouldn’t be that useful. If they were for someone who was busy and had to be quickly told what the “script” was, they’re still bare bones.
“The full list of the instructions reads:
- "YOU enter the Roosevelt Room and say hello to participants."
- "YOU take YOUR seat. "
- "Press enters."
- "YOU give brief comments [...]" This note was partially blocked by Biden's finger.
- "Press departs."
- "YOU ask Liz Shuler, President, AFL-CIO, a question. Note: Liz is joining virtually."
- "YOU thank participants."
- "YOU depart."
This list is a bit scary - considering its age and what we now know about neuroplasticity (how to keep your neurons firing and making the right connections)
ml1 said:
Here are the ages your brain peaks at everything throughout life
which reminds me: some excellent reports on current brain and memory research in the current edition of New Scientist (not to mention this week’s cartoons, funny!)
Oh, and I’m functioning with acknowledged brain impairment which is about a third of everyone else’s normal function (for 37 years) yet I’m still able to understand conversations in 12 languages, read several non-Roman scripts, drive myself, function independently etc. Saw my neurologist last week Re my crippling chronic migraines, and he reckons my memory and reasoning is not gonna get any worse 
(Really bad car crash just before 30th birthday, leaving me with skull fractures, the same brain impairments I have now, bilateral facial paralysis in opposite directions, burst eardrums and other injuries. Little rehab - i was too ‘functional‘ for them to realise how little function I really have. I taught myself myself the brain recovery strategies specialists use now. #1 tip: keep talking #2: keep moving #3: keep learning & laughing )
ml1 said:
Smedley said:
there is so much about Trump that suggests he's in early stage dementia.
fair enough. So when Biden starts bragging about passing a basic cognitive test, I'll shut up about you calling him senile.
Bragging about acing a cognitive test that may or may not have even happened is typical Trump braggadocio, but I don’t see what bearing it has on whether or not someone is senile. (Btw, if you’re going to opine that Trump has early stage dementia, I’m not going to disagree with you.)
As far as Biden, as stated there’s no point in continuing that debate, I only put forth something new (or at least new since the last time the topic was discussed) bc I was prompted to do so. You have your opinion, I have mine.
I could have done without the finger-wagging for the extreme recklessness and monstrosity of my opinion. Which is why I appreciated finding that you yourself had “thrown around a word” and “made something up that you had no basis to claim.” And I guess you also probably insulted older people while you were at it.
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
Smedley said:
ml1 said:
Smedley said:
there is so much about Trump that suggests he's in early stage dementia.
fair enough. So when Biden starts bragging about passing a basic cognitive test, I'll shut up about you calling him senile.
Bragging about acing a cognitive test that may or may not have even happened is typical Trump braggadocio, but I don’t see what bearing it has on whether or not someone is senile. (Btw, if you’re going to opine that Trump has early stage dementia, I’m not going to disagree with you.)
As far as Biden, as stated there’s no point in continuing that debate, I only put forth something new (or at least new since the last time the topic was discussed) bc I was prompted to do so. You have your opinion, I have mine.I could have done without the finger-wagging for the extreme recklessness and monstrosity of my opinion. Which is why I appreciated finding that you yourself had “thrown around a word” and “made something up that you had no basis to claim.” And I guess you also probably insulted older people while you were at it.
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
I didn't make it up. There were plenty of rumors and even concern from doctors. That's why Trump was bragging about that test. Not like what you are doing.
Trump's cognitive deficits seem worse. We need to know if he has dementia: Psychologist
Joe Scarborough Claims Sources Say Trump Has 'Early Signs of Dementia.' What Does That Mean?
This is recent but suggests a Scarborough source may have been Bannon
Steve Bannon thought Trump had early-stage dementia, producer says
While we’re still talking about ageing and its affecting our performance both physically and cognitively, you should take a moment to read about these two men:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-11/david-carr-masters-athletics-world-record-older/101921078 90yo world champion runner who’s just renewed his passport for ten years
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/australian-open-debut-for-99yo-tennis-player-henry-young/101927538 Debuting at the Australian Open, aged 99years.
According to smedley… Biden is so old, he should not even be keeping green bananas around the house…
Rubbish
Jaytee said:
According to smedley… Biden is so old, he should not even be keeping green bananas around the house…
hey - deviation, but where do we discuss Pence’s document raids?
joanne said:
hey - deviation, but where do we discuss Pence’s document raids?
Maybe Edith will bring it up in the rose garden…. Don’t hold your breath
Smedley said:
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
The Nylon Cardigan?
Cobwebs in the Attic?
An Incontinent Man?
DaveSchmidt said:
The Nylon Cardigan?
Cobwebs in the Attic?
An Incontinent Man?
The Stranger
ml1 said:
DaveSchmidt said:
The Nylon Cardigan?
Cobwebs in the Attic?
An Incontinent Man?
The Stranger
Cold Spring 52nd River Turnstiles
Jaytee said:
Who’s the innocent man living in the glass house?
not sure. But he may be crazy.
Smedley said:
Bragging about acing a cognitive test that may or may not have even happened is typical Trump braggadocio, but I don’t see what bearing it has on whether or not someone is senile. (Btw, if you’re going to opine that Trump has early stage dementia, I’m not going to disagree with you.)
...
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
For Trump it would be this one.
nohero said:
Smedley said:
Bragging about acing a cognitive test that may or may not have even happened is typical Trump braggadocio, but I don’t see what bearing it has on whether or not someone is senile. (Btw, if you’re going to opine that Trump has early stage dementia, I’m not going to disagree with you.)
...
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
For Trump it would be this one.
And we have a winner.
ml1 said:
not sure. But he may be crazy.
that’s if he’s married to Virginia…
ml1 said:
Smedley said:
ml1 said:
Smedley said:
there is so much about Trump that suggests he's in early stage dementia.
fair enough. So when Biden starts bragging about passing a basic cognitive test, I'll shut up about you calling him senile.
Bragging about acing a cognitive test that may or may not have even happened is typical Trump braggadocio, but I don’t see what bearing it has on whether or not someone is senile. (Btw, if you’re going to opine that Trump has early stage dementia, I’m not going to disagree with you.)
As far as Biden, as stated there’s no point in continuing that debate, I only put forth something new (or at least new since the last time the topic was discussed) bc I was prompted to do so. You have your opinion, I have mine.I could have done without the finger-wagging for the extreme recklessness and monstrosity of my opinion. Which is why I appreciated finding that you yourself had “thrown around a word” and “made something up that you had no basis to claim.” And I guess you also probably insulted older people while you were at it.
Calls to mind a certain Billy Joel album.
I didn't make it up. There were plenty of rumors and even concern from doctors. That's why Trump was bragging about that test. Not like what you are doing.
Trump's cognitive deficits seem worse. We need to know if he has dementia: Psychologist
Joe Scarborough Claims Sources Say Trump Has 'Early Signs of Dementia.' What Does That Mean?
”rumors” and “concern from doctors”….wow that’s highly credible stuff upon which to be basing an armchair diagnosis. Has your MOL account been hacked? I ask because somehow I recall your bar used to be much higher, as iirc you’ve effectively said that without full medical records any amateur diagnosis of Biden is pure poppycock and not worth a plug nickel. But perhaps you’ve loosened your standards.
There’s plenty of similar internet stuff out there on Biden, as I’m sure you know, but I’m not gonna go there.
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