Stealing an election in broad daylight

basil said:

cramer said:

basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 The frustrating thing is that it appears that Congress can't do anything about Trump's unwillingness to fund the USPS. 

The House can simply not approve a Covid relief bill unless it also includes USPS funding. Simple as that.

There is hope.  

"The House approved $25 billion in postal aid in April, and a bipartisan bill in the Senate introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) would do the same, along with stripping conditions from Treasury’s loan.
On Thursday, the Senate’s final day of the summer session, the few Republicans on hand did not want to comment on Trump’s latest assault on the Postal Service.
“I have no comment on that,” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) said as he left the near-empty chamber.
As he entered the floor, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) ignored a question about funding for the Postal Service.
At least one Republican senator on Thursday spoke out against the president’s opposition to funding for the agency. Collins told the Portland Press Herald that even before his remarks, she sent a letter to Postmaster General Louis DeJoy demanding an explanation for the service cuts she’s been hearing about in her state.
“And so I do disagree with the president, very strongly, on that issue,” said Collins, who is facing a tough reelection bid. “The Postal Service is absolutely essential, particularly to a large, rural state like ours.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mail-voting/2020/08/13/3eb9ac62-dd70-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-high_trump-vote-1115am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans


basil said:

cramer said:

basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 The frustrating thing is that it appears that Congress can't do anything about Trump's unwillingness to fund the USPS. 

The House can simply not approve a Covid relief bill unless it also includes USPS funding. Simple as that.

Not really. The Trump admin can refuse to distribute the money prior to the election. Or maybe not distribute it at all. What are they going to do about it then? Impeach him?   oh oh


Floyd said:

basil said:

cramer said:

basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 The frustrating thing is that it appears that Congress can't do anything about Trump's unwillingness to fund the USPS. 

The House can simply not approve a Covid relief bill unless it also includes USPS funding. Simple as that.

Not really. The Trump admin can refuse to distribute the money prior to the election. Or maybe not distribute it at all. What are they going to do about it then? Impeach him?  
oh oh

 Well, Sen. Collins might say she is disappointed. Maybe even very disappointed.


PVW said:

Floyd said:

basil said:

cramer said:

basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 The frustrating thing is that it appears that Congress can't do anything about Trump's unwillingness to fund the USPS. 

The House can simply not approve a Covid relief bill unless it also includes USPS funding. Simple as that.

Not really. The Trump admin can refuse to distribute the money prior to the election. Or maybe not distribute it at all. What are they going to do about it then? Impeach him?  
oh oh

 Well, Sen. Collins might say she is disappointed. Maybe even very disappointed.

 I signed a petition against Collins. She's a phony. 


PVW said:

 Well, Sen. Collins might say she is disappointed. Maybe even very disappointed.

Concerned. very concerned, disappointed, very disappointed. A week or so ago she even used the "t" word. Very troubled.

In the GOP she's an outlier, their profile of courage and fortitude. smile


What's upsetting to me here is that the Dems have not been able to find a clever lawyer who could file for an injunction to prevent these changes from happening. There must be something in the regulatory state which prevents someone from just walking in and overhauling everything like this.



drummerboy said:

What's upsetting to me here is that the Dems have not been able to find a clever lawyer who could file for an injunction to prevent these changes from happening. There must be something in the regulatory state which prevents someone from just walking in and overhauling everything like this.

 I think the problem is the same one faced with respect to all of Trump's appointees.

The systems (such as the United States Postal Service) are set up under the assumption that the people in charge are going to carry out the intended purpose.  When management is put in place which isn't interested in that, mere neglect is enough to carry out the intended policy, of NOT doing the job.

It's easier to tear down or slow down, than it is to innovate and improve.  That's why I'm annoyed at complaints like, "Why didn't Obama do more unilateral stuff like Trump does?"

When officials have actually changed policies, the courts have been there to rule that improper under the applicable law.  But with the USPS, its a lot harder to deal with something that's more in the nature of deliberate incompetence.


nohero said:

drummerboy said:

What's upsetting to me here is that the Dems have not been able to find a clever lawyer who could file for an injunction to prevent these changes from happening. There must be something in the regulatory state which prevents someone from just walking in and overhauling everything like this.

 I think the problem is the same one faced with respect to all of Trump's appointees.

The systems (such as the United States Postal Service) are set up under the assumption that the people in charge are going to carry out the intended purpose.  When management is put in place which isn't interested in that, mere neglect is enough to carry out the intended policy, of NOT doing the job.

It's easier to tear down or slow down, than it is to innovate and improve.  That's why I'm annoyed at complaints like, "Why didn't Obama do more unilateral stuff like Trump does?"

When officials have actually changed policies, the courts have been there to rule that improper under the applicable law.  But with the USPS, its a lot harder to deal with something that's more in the nature of deliberate incompetence.

 Unless you're choosing to not vindictively prosecute non-violent people who committed the misdemeanor of crossing a line on a map. Then everyone on the right freaks out about your egregious abuse of power.


basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 OK, but now that a Trump crony is running the USPS will giving them the money make a difference?  Won't he just steal / give away to friends / waste the money?


Red_Barchetta said:

basil said:

Write to your congressman/woman (and your senator): do not accept a covid-support bill that does not also fully fund the USPS

 OK, but now that a Trump crony is running the USPS will giving them the money make a difference?  Won't he just steal / give away to friends / waste the money?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I assume there are some kind of safeguards in how the money has to be spent. It can't just be a pile of money that he can do with what he wants.

I hope.


PVW said:

 Well, Sen. Collins might say she is disappointed. Maybe even very disappointed.

 If you are interested in helping to retire her, PM me.


cramer said:

 I signed a petition against Collins. She's a phony. 

 If you are interested in helping to retire her, PM me.


Don't many people still pay their bills by snail mail? What happens when those businesses begin to suffer even more than the have as a result of COVID 19 but not receiving payment on time or at all?

There's a big worry about people being evicted because they can't pay their rent or people losing their homes because they can't pay their mortgage. What happens if the have the money to pay but the PO doesn't deliver their checks?


Next Friday, the 21st there will be demonstrations all over the country in front of Post Offices. Planning is beginning for Maplewood and South Orange


hmmmmmm. maybe they're collecting them to spruce them up with some fresh paint



luckily Liz is on the case



hmmm. possibility of legal action by the states?



drummerboy said:

hmmmmmm. maybe they're collecting them to spruce them up with some fresh paint


(CNN)The United States Postal Service has started reducing post office operating hours across several states and removing their iconic blue letter collection boxes as it faces intense pressure to deal with millions of mail-in ballots this fall, according to union officials.

Officials say that in the last week the USPS has removed letter collection boxes in at least four states: New York, Oregon, Montana and Indiana. The USPS has also begun notifying postal workers in at least three states -- West Virginia, Florida and Missouri -- that they will start to reduce their retail operating hours, according to union officials.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-removes-letter-collection-boxes-reduces-post-office-operating-hours/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29


drummerboy said:

luckily Liz is on the case

Trump will just fire the "independent watchdog". Wake up folks, good old US is being stolen away from us by a bunch of old white conservatives. 


he can't fire the NJ AG


STANV said:

Next Friday, the 21st there will be demonstrations all over the country in front of Post Offices. Planning is beginning for Maplewood and South Orange

 Will you post the information maybe on it's own thread?  


more pretty pictures


Representative Pascrell was just on Ali Velshi's show. He's receiving a lot of praise.


cramer said:

Representative Pascrell was just on Ali Velshi's show. He's receiving a lot of praise.

 I really like Ali Velshi. They are moving him around since his 1 PM spot with Stephanie Rhule and his 3 PM spot. He's one of MSNBC's best. 


here's an interesting factoid, though not a surprising one. They're treating the USPS pension fund like they did the Social Security trust fund


drummerboy said:

here's an interesting factoid, though not a surprising one. They're treating the USPS pension fund like they did the Social Security trust fund

Per the Postal OIG, the USPS pension by law is invested in government bonds like treasury bonds. Or would you rather they put it into 1/2 percent commercial bank accounts? Or gamble with the market?

Treasury bonds is the most desired commodity in the world. Just every government buys them.

If it gets so bad that treasury bonds go kaput, then so will the rest of our money system. You may as well then withdraw all your savings, convert it to paper dollars and use it as kindling to keep warm in the winter (or wallpaper your house).

You should really delve into these things instead of posting shallow factoids.


Floyd said:

drummerboy said:

here's an interesting factoid, though not a surprising one. They're treating the USPS pension fund like they did the Social Security trust fund

Per the Postal OIG, the USPS pension by law is invested in government bonds like treasury bonds. Or would you rather they put it into 1/2 percent commercial bank accounts? Or gamble with the market?

Treasury bonds is the most desired commodity in the world. Just every government buys them.

If it gets so bad that treasury bonds go kaput, then so will the rest of our money system. You may as well then withdraw all your savings, convert it to paper dollars and use it as kindling to keep warm in the winter (or wallpaper your house).

You should really delve into these things instead of posting shallow factoids.

 I don't think that affects the point of my post, does it?


Floyd said:

Per the Postal OIG, the USPS pension by law is invested in government bonds like treasury bonds. Or would you rather they put it into 1/2 percent commercial bank accounts? Or gamble with the market?

How many other pension funds — private or governmental — expect to meet their obligations without investing in the market or private equity? Are typical actuarial targets for growth commonly achieved through government bonds alone?

In other words, I thought “gamble with the market,” or what financial advisers tend to call prudent long-term strategy, was standard practice. 


DaveSchmidt said:

Floyd said:

Per the Postal OIG, the USPS pension by law is invested in government bonds like treasury bonds. Or would you rather they put it into 1/2 percent commercial bank accounts? Or gamble with the market?

How many other pension funds — private or governmental — expect to meet their obligations without investing in the market or private equity? Are typical actuarial targets for growth commonly achieved through government bonds alone?

In other words, I thought “gamble with the market,” or what financial advisers tend to call prudent long-term strategy, was standard practice. 

 funny you should ask that

https://www.rstreet.org/2019/05/30/usps-pensions-vs-the-world-more-rules-worse-funding/


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