Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Best one since IV, V, VI. Yay! 

Cut about 40 minutes of filler and I might agree with you.

agreed. I hate when a movie is close to perfect save for editing. Needed 30 minutes out. I could have lived without most of Finn and his new sidekick

I can't disagree more, not even JarJar Binks could have made this movie worse.

Daisy Ridley is the only saving grace in it.

Laura Dern's character? Horrible. Luke's change into a whiny sissy, ridiculous. Who is Snoke, where did he come from, I expected this episode to give some more background on him. Chewbacca and those furry bastards between a Gremlin and a Furby? WTF. Is this Star Wars, or just another Disney toy advertisement.

I had high hopes and found it incredibly disappointing.

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Luke hiding on the island is fine by me, but the way he acted and then how he came to help is just not comparable with either Joda, or Obi Wan. And if they do the recluse thing, then at least do some proper training for Rey on the island. She has basically no training and then is ready to fight Snoke and Kylo Ren?

Which reminds me, that Joda scene is ridiculous, too. Just too much Disney.

It's preachy, I won't dispute that. No brave white males need apply, like the reading list at MMS. But there is good dialogue. Great battles. Adam Driver is a complex baddie. And Oscar Isaac has about the handsomest face in the movies.

Good dialog? Every time Leia is speaking, she has trouble keeping a straight face. Some of the worst dialog I've seen in a movie in a long time.

Great battles, yeah some, but dropping bombs in space? Yeah, that really works well at zero gravity. I know it's weird that all the space ships have gravity anyway, with people running around.

Kylo Ren, is a decent character, but still too much of a Darth Vader clone.

I'm with 49% of the people on rotten tomatoes.

earlster said:

 Luke's change into a whiny sissy, ridiculous. 

I guess you've never played that game where you watch New Hope and everyone has to take a drink every time Luke whines.  Either that or you did play it but you got too drunk to remember.

I enjoyed the movie.  there was a lot of fun action, all the main characters got some cool stuff to do. I thought it was visually great, without all of the CGI clutter that affected the prequels.

I agree that trimming something like 15-30 minutes. 

I felt like Snoke was too much of a question mark, and we got no backstory on him. My feelings on him are somewhat divided. You might say split right down the middle.

I was okay with Luke going and hiding on that planet. The story of why he chose to seclude himself was fine, although I think it lost some emotional intensity as a flashback.

White males have pretty much owned the Star Wars world for the last 40 years, so I have no problem with the casting of this movie. One observation I will make is that the original Three movies all came out 3 years apart. I wonder if this one could have benefited from an extra year of script writing and editing.

 I missed a couple of clues about what was really going on with Luke at the end there, and I enjoyed that particular twist. I thought the character got a big moment that he deserved, which was handled in a unique way. Rather than just a rehash of what has happened to prior characters.

The longevity of the Star Wars franchise has always amazed me.  The recent movies (haven't seen the latest) look good only because the early 2000s reboots were so dreadful.  The first two movies were a breath of fresh air by bringing a lighthearted throwback "Buck Rogers" sensibility to Sci fi cinema.  Once George Lucas decided he had something to say, and the movies devolved into  dour self-importance, I had no real enthusiasm. How many light saber fights and star fighter dog fights do you need to see?  It's the same sh*t over and over again.   

Looking at the series as a whole white males are MORE than well represented...

brealer said:

It's preachy, I won't dispute that. No brave white males need apply, like the reading list at MMS. 

Scully said:

Looking at the series as a whole white males are MORE than well represented...

brealer said:

It's preachy, I won't dispute that. No brave white males need apply, like the reading list at MMS. 

Isn't the whole point of Poe Dameron that he is too much of a hero?  Or is his whiteness tainted by his latino heritage? Just non hispanic white males who need not apply?

Honestly, we may not be post racial but this white bro obsession with white representation just confuses me (as a white male).

For dialogue and humor, I liked the exchange in the beginning of the movie between Oscar Isaac and Domhnal (sp?) Gleeson, when Oscar is stalling for time, and Domhnal thinks they have a bad connection. It was stupid and hammy, but it made me laugh. The desperate bombardier  scene may defy the laws of physics (but whose to say there wasn't something propelling the bomb), but it made me cry. I am a soft touch for scenes like that.  Also, I basically agreed to suspend disbelief when I paid down my money for the ticket.

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. Get off the screen, no matter how handsome your face is. Cut to sniveling Luke. 

I was entertained from start to finish.  Yes, it was corny and Disney-fied in places.  But overall, I really enjoyed it.  

The force is strong with him.

brealer said:

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. 

That's the point isn't it?  Poe thinks he is the "hero" and thus everything should revolve around him.  He refuses to even consider the possibility that the Admiral has a plan because she doesn't look like he thinks a leader should look.  As a result, he gets all of the people who die on the transports and in the battle for the base killed.

It's a good thing the smart middle-aged woman is there to instruct him.

SPOILER ALERT

Klinker said:

brealer said:

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. 

That's the point isn't it?  Poe thinks he is the "hero" and thus everything should revolve around him.  He refuses to even consider the possibility that the Admiral has a plan because she doesn't look like he thinks a leader should look.  As a result, he gets all of the people who die on the transports and in the battle for the base killed.

Wait, how did he get them killed?  I thought they were being tracked and they just didn't realize it until it was too late?  

I liked Finn better in the previous movie.  I understand that he is new to thinking for himself and making decisions, but in this movie the screw up with being told there is ONE person in the whole galaxy that can help them, and showing up with "well this guy can probably do it" was just beyond FUBAR

spontaneous said:




SPOILER ALERT

Klinker said:

brealer said:

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. 

That's the point isn't it?  Poe thinks he is the "hero" and thus everything should revolve around him.  He refuses to even consider the possibility that the Admiral has a plan because she doesn't look like he thinks a leader should look.  As a result, he gets all of the people who die on the transports and in the battle for the base killed.

Wait, how did he get them killed?  I thought they were being tracked and they just didn't realize it until it was too late?  

I liked Finn better in the previous movie.  I understand that he is new to thinking for himself and making decisions, but in this movie the screw up with being told there is ONE person in the whole galaxy that can help them, and showing up with "well this guy can probably do it" was just beyond FUBAR

And that guy (Benecio del Toro's character) betrays Rose and Finn AND reveals the cloaking of the transports to the First Order. It ruins Admiral Holdo's plan to escape to the old Rebel base and gets most of the remaining Resistance fighters killed. 

Benicio is  the Lando Calrissian of this movie. Just wait.

 I like Finn much better in this movie. They let him have more agency. His scenes with Rose are alive as they scrap together bravely to save the universe. (Scrapping together to save the universe is the essential thing that people want to see in a Star Wars movie, IMO.)  

Finn and Re as a couple read to me as unhot.  Like Luke and Leia together.  Let Finn have more "toxic male energy," for the good of the franchise. Even if it's off-message. Maybe let Re put down the numchuks for a minute.  

spontaneous said:




SPOILER ALERT

Klinker said:

brealer said:

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. 

That's the point isn't it?  Poe thinks he is the "hero" and thus everything should revolve around him.  He refuses to even consider the possibility that the Admiral has a plan because she doesn't look like he thinks a leader should look.  As a result, he gets all of the people who die on the transports and in the battle for the base killed.

Wait, how did he get them killed?  I thought they were being tracked and they just didn't realize it until it was too late?

If Poe hadn't sent Finn and Rose off on their wild goose chase they wouldn't have been caught and the First Order wouldn't have adjusted their tracking which allowed the Hux to detect the transports leaving the cruiser for the previously undetected rebel base.

The Star Wars movie universe seems to be big on the dangers of hubris. 

Did Vice Admiral Holdo display hubris by not confiding her plan in more people?

Poe was Mr Hubris for sure and ended up with a lot of dead Resistance fighters.

Luke allows his shame for his own hubris to drive him into seclusion.

Klinker said:

spontaneous said:




SPOILER ALERT

Klinker said:

brealer said:

Poe is allowed to be brave, you are right. I loved his derring do as a fighter pilot in the opening scene. I thought I was back in IV, V, VI - ville!  Shades of cowboy Han  Solo! But No, along comes Laura Dern, from an underrepresented class in Star Wars: a middle aged woman.  It was all stupid, what Poe did. 

That's the point isn't it?  Poe thinks he is the "hero" and thus everything should revolve around him.  He refuses to even consider the possibility that the Admiral has a plan because she doesn't look like he thinks a leader should look.  As a result, he gets all of the people who die on the transports and in the battle for the base killed.

Wait, how did he get them killed?  I thought they were being tracked and they just didn't realize it until it was too late?

If Poe hadn't sent Finn and Rose off on their wild goose chase they wouldn't have been caught and the First Order wouldn't have adjusted their tracking which allowed the Hux to detect the transports leaving the cruiser for the previously undetected rebel base.

If that officer hadn’t told his subordinate not to blow up the escape pod because it detected “no life forms”, none of this would have happened anyway.

ridski said:

If that officer hadn’t told his subordinate not to blow up the escape pod because it detected “no life forms”, none of this would have happened anyway.