Sorry left - the person arrested for the JCC threats does not have the profile you had hoped.

He actually seems to be one of yours. A former writer for a left wing website. I assume the subject will not no longer be mentioned. Given that you all want to hide all the Antisemitism on the left.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/man-arrested-for-jcc-bomb-threats-appears-to-be-former-journalist-fired-for-fabrication/



So you're attributing the actions of one to a whole group - brilliant. It's like saying Mexicans are rapists.


As if had he had a link to a conservative group (as most here had hoped and prayed) like they would not all be attributing the actions of one to a whole group. Yeh, right.


That's a really sick post, @Gilgul. Antisemitism comes from the extreme right AND the extreme left. It's all antisemitism. It endangers us all the same.



Gilgul said:

He actually seems to be one of yours. A former writer for a left wing website. I assume the subject will not no longer be mentioned. Given that you all want to hide all the Antisemitism on the left.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/man-arrested-for-jcc-bomb-threats-appears-to-be-former-journalist-fired-for-fabrication/

If you read the article he was fired for fabricating sources. If he were an alt-right reporter he would have been promoted.



shoshannah said:

That's a really sick post, @Gilgul. Antisemitism comes from the extreme right AND the extreme left. It's all antisemitism. It endangers us all the same.

Fundamental misunderstanding of stigginit



RobB said:



shoshannah said:

That's a really sick post, @Gilgul. Antisemitism comes from the extreme right AND the extreme left. It's all antisemitism. It endangers us all the same.

Fundamental misunderstanding of stigginit

Just waiting for the "And he's BLACK!" post.



Gilgul said:

He actually seems to be one of yours. A former writer for a left wing website. I assume the subject will not no longer be mentioned. Given that you all want to hide all the Antisemitism on the left.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/man-arrested-for-jcc-bomb-threats-appears-to-be-former-journalist-fired-for-fabrication/

Remember when the Republican president raised the possibility of a false flag? You were awfully quiet then.


Given the talk of Pogroms, neo nazis, Reichstag fires and the inability of Trump to visit synagogues, JCCs or mosques because it would offend "his most loyal followers" in the other thread....You guys gotta be kidding me with the pearl clutching and outrage.

No one said boo about the unfairness then. Now, outraged, OUTRAGED!

No principles, just political goals.


You like to jab at your imagined enemy. Liberals are not your enemy, and the entirety of liberaldom did not make those anti-semitic threats. Your jab hurts no one and conveys no coherent point.

You know, I can tolerate stupid people, and sometimes, I can tolerate mean people, but stupid mean people are a special breed.



Tom_Reingold said:

You like to jab at your imagined enemy. Liberals are not your enemy, and the entirety of liberaldom did not make those anti-semitic threats. Your jab hurts no one and conveys no coherent point.

You know, I can tolerate stupid people, and sometimes, I can tolerate mean people, but stupid mean people are a special breed.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/second-jewish-cemetery-vandalized

Nearly every post insisted it was Trump's job to condemn the behavior, saying this is what happens in Trump's America, references pogroms, Reichstag fires, and on and on.

I won't engage the silly strawman you're furiously stuffing until you point out where I suggested "all liberals" made phonecalls to the JCC. I will however say we now know it is alleged ONE LEFTIST did.

Are you going to claim Tom that no one was blaming this on trump and trump supporters broadly? REALLY?

As far as your "tolerance" goes- kidding right? oh oh

I don't want to confuse you into thinking that comment has any heft beyond giving you a bit of a thrill when you hit "post"...

But wow!

Mean and stupid? Time for decaf, guy!




Jackson_Fusion said:



Tom_Reingold said:

You like to jab at your imagined enemy. Liberals are not your enemy, and the entirety of liberaldom did not make those anti-semitic threats. Your jab hurts no one and conveys no coherent point.

You know, I can tolerate stupid people, and sometimes, I can tolerate mean people, but stupid mean people are a special breed.

https://maplewood.worldwebs.com/forums/discussion/second-jewish-cemetery-vandalized


Nearly every post insisted it was Trump's job to condemn the behavior, saying this is what happens in Trump's America, references pogroms, Reichstag fires, and on and on.

Are you going to claim Tom that no one was blaming this on trump and trump supporters broadly? REALLY?

As far as your "tolerance" goes- kidding right? oh oh

I don't want to confuse you into thinking that comment has any heft beyond giving you a bit of a thrill when you hit "post"...

But wow!

Mean and stupid?

Two separate issues here:

The first is the Trump had so much trouble making a politically safe and simple statement to the effect that hate crime has no place in America. He could extend that to Muslim victims of hate too, but that's a stretch goal. Baby steps first.

The second is the believe that Trump's pandering to xenophobia and Islamophobia and his appeal to white nationalists has increased the incidence of bias crime, even if only to give the next disturbed person an issue to seize upon.


As reported yesterday, antisemitic hate crimes are up 94% in NYC, in the first two months of 2017, as opposed to the same period last year. This coincides with incidents across the country. It is not surprising that people think the Trump phenomenon has something to do with it, as he has specialized in demonizing and targeting vulnerable minorities, including Mexicans, Arabs, Jews, etc, and has provided a cover for the acting out of bullying and targeting such groups. His recent and occasional remarks opposing such antisemitic activities come rather belatedly and against the backdrop of the encouragement of the alt-right hate antisemitic groups associated with Bretibart, and others who helped his campaign. However, antisemitism does not begin and end with the right, as we all well know. There are plenty of antisemitic left-wing groups, as well as various mentally disturbed individuals who pursue such agendas for deeply personal reasons, as apparently this man did. I doubt that many people are disappointed that the perpetrator wasn't right-wing. Instead, I would think most people, regardless of political affiliation, are enormously relieved that he has been caught.


jasmo, thanks for a little clarity here in a thread that started with provocation and stayed murky thereafter.



Jackson_Fusion said:

This is quite the update to a news story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/trump-suggests-anti-semitic-acts-might-faked-make-movement-look-bad.html

To make a movement that panders to Islamophobia and xenophobia look bad by taking it to its logical conclusion???

I realize that not all Trump supporters are racists and xenophobes, but a non-trivial percentage are and that's all it takes for there to be an uptick in hate crimes.



tjohn said:



Jackson_Fusion said:

This is quite the update to a news story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/trump-suggests-anti-semitic-acts-might-faked-make-movement-look-bad.html

To make a movement that panders to Islamophobia and xenophobia look bad by taking it to its logical conclusion???

I realize that not all Trump supporters are racists and xenophobes, but a non-trivial percentage are and that's all it takes for there to be an uptick in hate crimes.

Thank you for at least being honest regarding your views.



tjohn said:




I realize that not all Trump supporters are racists and xenophobes, but a non-trivial percentage are and that's all it takes for there to be an uptick in hate crimes.

I realize that not everyone on the left is an Antisemite. But some, mostly trying to hide behind "I do not hate Jews I just hate Israel", including the second place finisher in the race to lead the Democratic party are and that is more than enough to cause an uptick in Antisemitic acts.


@Jackson_Fusion, my remark was aimed at gilgul, not you, so I'll consider your comment to me moot.



Jackson_Fusion said:

This is quite the update to a news story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/trump-suggests-anti-semitic-acts-might-faked-make-movement-look-bad.html

"People are saying that the protesters who set fires at Berkely during the Milo protest were actually republicans aiming to make the protesters look bad. "


Two can play that game.


it's a bizarro world interpretation to suggest that politicians criticizing the actions of Israel are causing an increase in anti-Semitic events, but the bigotry of neo-Nazis and the alt-right is having no effect.


The alt right is primarily people on the fringes of society. Rural and not highly educated. They can lash out and can cause great harm but they remain on the margins. Leftist antisemitism is most prevalent in the institutions shaping the future leaders of our nation. That is much more dangerous in the long term.



Gilgul said:

The alt right is primarily people on the fringes of society. Rural and not highly educated. They can lash out and can cause great harm but they remain on the margins. Leftist antisemitism is most prevalent in the institutions shaping the future leaders of our nation. That is much more dangerous in the long term.

Ignorance



Gilgul said:

Leftist antisemitism is most prevalent in the institutions shaping the future leaders of our nation. That is much more dangerous in the long term.

Wow, I agree! Except that I wouldn't label it leftist.



Gilgul said:

The alt right is primarily people on the fringes of society. Rural and not highly educated.

Not sure about the rural part, but it's true that they are a loud but not huge movement. Trump was elected by mainstream Republicans.


remember that zoinks line for anti-semitism includes anyone mildly critical of Israel.

and the alt-right might be fringe, but Steven Bannon is number 2 in the White House. these two things are not unrelated..

anyone who thinks the rise in anti-semitism is somehow unrelated to the rise of Trump is kind of a fool.



Tom_Reingold said:



Gilgul said:

Leftist antisemitism is most prevalent in the institutions shaping the future leaders of our nation. That is much more dangerous in the long term.

Wow, I agree! Except that I wouldn't label it leftist.



which institutions contain prevalent anti-Semitism in your view?

Tom_Reingold said:



Gilgul said:

Leftist antisemitism is most prevalent in the institutions shaping the future leaders of our nation. That is much more dangerous in the long term.

Wow, I agree! Except that I wouldn't label it leftist.



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