Posted By: footballmomoh my -you are in deep Broigus ...Rants like those seen above probably have a cause beyond a concern for land use and parking, imho.
Posted By: noheroAnd for Soda -
The only time I ever felt 100% justified in telling a lie, was at my office where two young men from Chabad-Lubavitch were going throughout the building on a Friday, looking for Jewish men to present Sabbath Bread to. My Jewish business colleague told me, "Tell them I'm at a meeting!"
Posted By: broigusChallah is real good and kind of pricey. Should have taken a loaf.I believe that he knows of the saying, "There is no such thing as a free lunch." :wink:
Posted By: footballmomnohero, rant? beyond parking? sorry, there's no hidden agenda on my side. No bigotry. That's the shul's role -- lies & a hidden agenda based on actions: They were not even a shul, yet advertised that they were a shul. We are protecting our neighbors in a residential neighborhood from a large commercial institution decimating their home value and quality of life-- the neighbors are from many walks of life -- Not just yours! They are Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Protestant and more. All types are welcome in our town! No one is allowed to break the law re: zoning, not even chabad lubavitchers - zoning should be applied evenly to all.
based on this, what is to stop the next 20 religious institutions (churches, shuls, temples, mosques, etc)/schools from opening in private houses all over town, one say in the residential poet section, one on fairfield, one on glenwood, etc.... Why wouldn't they, then? Just tear the house down, put up a religious school and prayer area and if anyone says boo - scream "BIGOTRY"! all the while ... the tax base for the town will be diminished.
Posted By: miss_l_toeI don't have a clue about how these zoning laws work.
However, if the Millburn township council turns down the application and there is an appeal (which from what I've seen on this thread would be very likely to be the case) will Millburn township taxpayers have to pay legal fees to fight any appeals?
Posted By: footballmomyou have to admit this is an usual zoning request for a zoning board that sees kitchens, porticos, swing sets and driveway requests all the time from that residential area - and it's unusual also particularly in light of the secrecy and lies ("this is not a shul!") surrounding the birth of the shul on jefferson Avenue on the part of the rabbi. that is wrong and improper in my book.
We have EVERY RIGHT to voice our dissaproval, broigus!
Posted By: shoshannahRabbi Bogomilsky's Chai Center has been around since at least the late '90s -- but at a different location, on Millburn Avenue in the big white house opposite the high school. It hasn't had any noticeable impact on other religious institutions, and I am not sure how many non-Orthodox Jews it has attracted in the 10+ years it's been in town. I know the neighbors on the streets surrounding his Millburn Ave. location were upset about some traffic issues. Has he sold the Millburn Ave. house? Does anyone know why he is moving? What's the background on that?
Posted By: footballmomto say that this doesn't happen every day , well that's not a great argument. We would be opening ourselves up to more and more homes being converted to commercial buildings around town: ie, If I start some kind of school or religious organization in my house, then to hell with my neighbors then, and no more taxes for me!
Posted By: miss_l_toe"Enterprising readers should take note that one of the fastest ways to get seriously rich in America is to start a religious organization, which enjoy tax-exempt status"Those of us who are involved with the finances of religious organizations don't really see it that way. The squeeze on my church is in fairly direct proportion to the financial squeeze on our membership, which is considerable recently.
Posted By: pdgmuch nicer imo than the monster mansion/castle on Jefferson that was recently built directly across the streetdoes anyone know what the square footage of that is?
Posted By: pdgYup, that's the thing I was thinking of, footballmom - if any of the original building remains, it was dwarfed ten-fold by the Mc-addition within the last 5-8 years.
Beauty is in the eye, apparently.
And, about buying houses, consolidating them and making a huge one in Short Hills, that actually was done also in recent memory, by - rumor has it - the person who owns Snapple (or possibly another popular ice-tea company, maybe it was Arizona? I don't really remember). And it has likely happened several other times in Short Hills as well.
You should click on my link to the site above to see the plans I assume were submitted for approval. The "commercial" building you keep referring to will look more like the house that stands at 1 Jeff right now, and will be more in the character of the neighborhood than the castle across the street.
Posted By: broigusPosted By: pdgYup, that's the thing I was thinking of, footballmom - if any of the original building remains, it was dwarfed ten-fold by the Mc-addition within the last 5-8 years.
Beauty is in the eye, apparently.
And, about buying houses, consolidating them and making a huge one in Short Hills, that actually was done also in recent memory, by - rumor has it - the person who owns Snapple (or possibly another popular ice-tea company, maybe it was Arizona? I don't really remember). And it has likely happened several other times in Short Hills as well.
You should click on my link to the site above to see the plans I assume were submitted for approval. The "commercial" building you keep referring to will look more like the house that stands at 1 Jeff right now, and will be more in the character of the neighborhood than the castle across the street.
The Arizona guy created a compound of two houses on three properties. And fenced it to boot.
Promote your business here - Businesses get highlighted throughout the site and you can add a deal.
oops, broigus, you messed up and let the cat out the bag, it seems. I will be on the lookout for anyone approaching strangers and teens and kids in particular about religion near schools, parks and sporting events. Look out for these vans broigus describes. If you think is ok, you and I differ. From what you've said, Broigus, they are approaching people who LOOK Jewish. now you're sidestepping. Nice try at a save, though!