I'm confused. It says 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. I thought 3rd degree murder was manslaughter. And isn't second degree manslaughter , voluntary?
Sad to see these violent protesters trashing the CNN building in Atlanta. Cops are staying cool and the crowd is throwing stones at them and smashing the glass. This is violence for the sake of violence. They lost me. And if they had sympathizers among the police and many of the citizens, they lost them too.
I'm for non violent protests. And there are many of them around the country. I hope they prevail.
The important thing to remember is that these are the only people who should be allowed to have guns.
The second amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I believe this states that the military are the only people who shall be allowed to have guns, not the police.
Funny too how the complaints about the mass gatherings stopped all of a sudden.
I don't think those complaints have stopped. They aren't at the top of the list when the "gathering" is a protest of the failure to address police brutality, as opposed to those about haircuts and tattoos.
Funny too how the complaints about the mass gatherings stopped all of a sudden.
I don't think those complaints have stopped. They aren't at the top of the list when the "gathering" is a protest of the failure to address police brutality, as opposed to those about haircuts and tattoos.
Much like those savages wearing uniforms I fear you think of certain people as less than human. You should strive to understand people with opposing viewpoints.
Funny too how the complaints about the mass gatherings stopped all of a sudden.
I don't think those complaints have stopped. They aren't at the top of the list when the "gathering" is a protest of the failure to address police brutality, as opposed to those about haircuts and tattoos.
Much like those savages wearing uniforms I fear you think of certain people as less than human. You should strive to understand people with opposing viewpoints.
Instead of trashing this thread about an important issue (race relations, addressing police brutality), there are other threads you can use if you want to make your "argument" about the proper pace of reopening and social distancing.
I'm confused. It says 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. I thought 3rd degree murder was manslaughter. And isn't second degree manslaughter , voluntary?
Just heard that this carries up to 25 years.
This explains why Chauvin was charged with third degree murder under Minnesota law:
Funny too how the complaints about the mass gatherings stopped all of a sudden.
I suppose you could have made the same remark about last week's protestors in Hong Kong, though I very much doubt they are unaware of the danger of COVID-19. Nor does it seem likely that the protestors in Minneapolis, whose communities have borne a disproportionate impact from the virus, are unaware of the danger. Both groups have to weigh the risks in deciding whether to make a stand -- against the end of "one country, two systems" in the one case, and it's stubborn persistence in the other.
Because really, that's what this is about -- a protest against an unfair two-tier society, which the police have not created but are merely enforcing. If by bringing up Balko's book you were trying to make some kind of argument about how federal funding and programs somehow means the Minnesota police aren't really a local force, you can put your kilt away.
Chauvin didn't use any fancy federally-provided equipment to kill Floyd. And while the Minneapolis police have acted in direct defiance of the local leaders they are theoretically answerable to, it's not because they are actually agents of an oppressive national government.
This goes way back, and it is tyranny certain as any feared by any Gadsden flag waver, but it's sources aren't an oppressive central state.
By all means, we should aim for a demilitarization of the military. That's a good and worthy goal. And we should follow that up with a demilitarization of our populace too. Contra John Lott, more guns mean more death.
But behind all that -- the reason the cops are so heavily armed, and the reason white men with long guns feel entitled to threaten violence in defense of their "rights," is the same reason being an "essential worker" means you're probably making minimum wage and hoping to god the man proudly refusing to wear a mask while demanding service at your place of employment isn't contagious.
My heart goes out to the people of Minneapolis and St. Paul for the damage to their communities. The governor and commissioner of public safety today said that 80% of the looters and people causing damage were from outside the Twin Cities.. Here are residents of St. Paul cleaning up along University Ave. in St. Paul.
"Justin Terrell from the Council for Minnesotans of African Heritage said black people justifiably enraged about the death of Floyd have found themselves in the crosshairs of an unrelated battle between anarchists and fascists: “White people from other communities are coming into my community, our communities as some kind of perverse poetry, as if it wasn’t bad enough already. Go home now. The fascists on the plane right now, turn around.”
"Emilia Gonzalez Avalos, executive director of Navigate MN, said the people from the outside who burned down more buildings around Lake Street last night came to “cause more harm and pain in places where there’s already harm and pain.”
My heart goes out to the people of Minneapolis and St. Paul for the damage to their communities. The governor and commissioner of public safety today said that 80% of the looters and people causing damage were from outside the Twin Cities.. Here are residents of St. Paul cleaning up along University Ave. in St. Paul.
A friend mentioned that statistic. I'm surprised at the number. I admit that on issues that I'm involved in we often travel a little but we are usually small in number. Rarely over an hour. How many people traveled in and from how far away?
Who was behind it, a political group? That looked like a very large group and mostly young. Curious as to the political dynamics.
My heart goes out to the people of Minneapolis and St. Paul for the damage to their communities. The governor and commissioner of public safety today said that 80% of the looters and people causing damage were from outside the Twin Cities.. Here are residents of St. Paul cleaning up along University Ave. in St. Paul.
A friend mentioned that statistic. I'm surprised at the number. I admit that on issues that I'm involved in we often travel a little but we are usually small in number. Rarely over an hour. How many people traveled in and from how far away?
Who was behind it, a political group? That looked like a very large group and mostly young. Curious as to the political dynamics.
At today's press conference, John Harrington, Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner, said that they were going to use the same method of contact tracing as was used in COVID-19 cases to determine who the people that had been arrested associated with, where they came from, the internet platforms that they used (he said that some had been on the dark web) and so on. Harrington (who is really impressive) said that they were going to release names, possibly as early as this afternoon. He is absolutely sure that many of the people who were looting and causing damage were part of outside organizations or groups.
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"Harrington, the public safety commissioner, said at the mid-morning press briefing that he now has evidence of calls by right-wing extremists and white supremacists to come to Minnesota to foster unrest. “We have watched these groups grow both in brazenness and also grow in challenging approaches that we’ve had to adapt to,” he said."
Thanks @cramer. I would imagine that some leaders have to come forward as negotiators. What is the demand beyond changing the charge to first degree and arresting the other officers. It is the family's wish that the charge be changed but from what I'm reading first degree would be a stretch. I realize there are broader issues here but I can't imagine what promises can be made.
The amount of cop cars going up in flames is staggering. With this escalating around the country, I can't see how this will wind down. Violence and anger will just feed on itself.
Of course if we had a President who could speak to the population instead of tweeting that he heard there might be a MAGA rally at the White House tonight, it might do some good but, that's not about to happen.
I noticed in LA that the officers have their names on the back of their uniforms. Things are getting physical. I hope there are no more casualties but it's not looking good.
The St. Paul Police Dept is tweeting that an over-prepared looking white guy with a fancy gas mask, a hammer, and an umbrella, who broke glass of an AutoZone that was later burned, is not the officer in their dept that he kinda looks like.
Whether he was or wasn't -- he was looking quite well prepared to do some damage, provoke looting, and avoid the consequences.
Statement from South Orange Police Chief Kyle Kroll:
Posted on: May 30, 2020
Statement from South Orange Police Chief
Kyle Kroll addresses the South Orange community following the tragic death of George Floyd.
May 30, 2020
To Our South Orange Community:
Far too often, law enforcement personnel remain silent when we should be leaders in holding others in our own profession and ranks accountable. Our lack or perceived lack of moral courage to speak can easily lead the public to believe we are complacent.
As Chief of the South Orange Police Department, I want you to know that like you, I watched the video footage of George Floyd being murdered at the hands of law enforcement. It was appalling, unnecessary, inhumane, tragic, and unacceptable. All four officers involved must be held accountable for both their actions and their inactions. Notably, not one officer intervened to protect George Floyd, a complete dereliction of their duties.
I commit to you that in our community, we are listening and working every day to do better and involve those we serve in helping us become stronger, both as a police department and a community.
Some actions we’ve taken include the following:
Worked to ensure that our department racially reflects the community and visitors we serve. Since 2015, eleven of 18 new hires have been people of color.
Implemented biannual use-of-force and internal affairs training and hired consultants to train our command staff in both de-escalation and lawful/unlawful application behind use of force.
Implemented implicit bias and differential treatment training on an annual basis.
Developed diversion programs within our Juvenile Aid Bureau while working closely with both our middle school and high school.
Partnered with the New Jersey Institute for Social Justice to focus on situational awareness and intellectual development.
Partnered with the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives on programs aimed at reducing tension and fear while promoting education and safety between the community and law enforcement.
South Orange has also established a Community Police Collaborative (“CPC”) in which members of the public will be involved with reviewing data, developing community outreach strategies, and evaluating training modules and professional development for our officers.
Lastly, we’ve committed ourselves to transparency and public notifications when officers don’t hold themselves to the highest standards our community demands. Trust needs to be earned and not expected just because we wear a badge. What we all witnessed in Minneapolis was tragic beyond words and truly demoralizing to the righteous hardworking men and women of our profession. I promise you that we will continue to be forthcoming and will work diligently to remove this stain from our profession in order to restore your faith.
As protests occur both locally and nationwide, I ask all of our residents to be safe.
Respectfully,
Kyle Kroll Police Chief
South Orange is fortunate to have Chief Kroll as its police chief. He makes me proud to be from South Orange.
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