Elizabeth Warren for Vice President!

No more equivocating.

She’s the one!


I got my bumper sticker!


Her rise has been slow and steady as has been Biden’s decline. 


I have been all in for months for She Who Persists.

If it's not against the rules I may post local campaign events here.


Warren supporters are having Debate Watch Party on October 15th at Fox and Falcon in South Orange.


I am not a big fan, but it sure looks like sho is on the rise. I actually Biden is a better candidate (and obviously Trump agrees with me), but if it is Warren we should make sure she wins. I am just afraid Trump will run roughshod all over her.


basil said:

I am not a big fan, but it sure looks like sho is on the rise. I actually Biden is a better candidate (and obviously Trump agrees with me), but if it is Warren we should make sure she wins. I am just afraid Trump will run roughshod all over her.

 Trump clearly would prefer to run against Biden.  That's why he is so focused. 


Biden is essentially Trump if Trump wasn't evil.  A glad-handing moron with a free wheeling relationship with truth telling.  


basil said:

I am not a big fan, but it sure looks like sho is on the rise. I actually Biden is a better candidate (and obviously Trump agrees with me), but if it is Warren we should make sure she wins. I am just afraid Trump will run roughshod all over her.

 In a debate though, wouldn't that make him look even more like a bully? I can't imagine it playing well with women. So many of my female friends hate Trump with a passion. If he started trashing her on the campaign trail, I believe it would motivate a real force against him.

There are online groups, one very active in NJ, who mobilized so many women to increase voter registration and turn out before the 2018 vote.

Post Trump election there was a great turnout at the Woodland for a postcard mailing. I'm sure we will see another. One group went to PA to help get out the vote. I'm convinced women will be a major factor in this next election. Many of us are getting contacted already.

Forget the lawn sign. I want a billboard. 


Any woman who is still on the fence about Trump at this point is unreachable.  No point even trying.


speaking of billboards:

(for fans of the cult classic SciFi movie They Live)


Article today in the NYT about Warren’s lack of appeal to Black voters, similar to Bernie in the last cycle. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/06/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-black-voters.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Seems like she needs to hit the church circuit and try for an early endorsement from the Clintons. Obama almost certainly won’t weigh in before the nomination.


Warren might not have much of a chance of attracting Black primary voters, as they seem to generally prefer the more establishment candidate, though the data is admittedly thin.

If Biden drops out, it'll be interesting to see where their support goes to.

Decent piece on the subject at 538

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-do-black-democrats-usually-prefer-establishment-candidates/


Last poll Biden was at 45% among African American voters. I think if she teamed with Cory Booker, who is a Newark resident, and vocal on a few issues that Liz doesn't focus on like his 14 point gun control platform, his incarceration reform as well as his comfort with religion she might boost her popularity. I think he is a better speaker and interjects humor more frequently than Warren. One of his moments at the Democratic Convention when Hillary was nominated was his recitation of Still I Rise by Maya Angelou. He can be very inspirational a nice contrast to her pragmatic, I've Got A Plan.


Yeah, but she can't team up with Booker unless she wins the nod, at which point she would undoubtedly get pretty much all of the Black voters that had supported Biden, without doing anything. Not to say a Booker team-up might not help in increasing Black turnout for the general.


Is it bad form to name a potential veep before securing the nomination? If Booker were to drop out.

If you nominate me, I’d be proud to run with...


@drummerboy, didn't one of the Republicans running against Trump pick a running mate early? Here's my thinking, Cory is stating he will drop out if he doesn't reach a certain amount. Not to make the debate which he has already done but being realistic about the costs of running an effective campaign. So if he drops out, he could endorse her and then she could announce. 

Cruz picked Carly Fiorina to help him and I believe Niki Haley campaigned for Marco Rubio. And the obvious question is How did that work out for them, but in her case it could give her a boost.


I can't recall any early declared running mates, at least not for any major candidate - though running as a team in the primary might be a game changing kind of strategy.  Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like a good idea.


drummerboy said:

I can't recall any early declared running mates, at least not for any major candidate - though running as a team in the primary might be a game changing kind of strategy.  Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like a good idea.

The later you pick a running mate, the more you understand how the GE is going to play out, and where you need help. Also it will give you proper time to vet a candidate for VP. I don't see any advantages of picking a running mate this early. And I also do not see any advantages for the running mate to accept and lock themself in so early.


basil said:

drummerboy said:

I can't recall any early declared running mates, at least not for any major candidate - though running as a team in the primary might be a game changing kind of strategy.  Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like a good idea.

The later you pick a running mate, the more you understand how the GE is going to play out, and where you need help. Also it will give you proper time to vet a candidate for VP. I don't see any advantages of picking a running mate this early. And I also do not see any advantages for the running mate to accept and lock themself in so early.

 well, that assumes that picking a running mate that late actually helps in the GE - and I think the data on that is pretty inconclusive at best. Running mates are usually non-factors at that stage of the game. Tim Kaine (ugh) certainly was no help to Hillary, and I doubt choosing Biden was instrumental for Obama either. 

The advantage for choosing early is that for a badly trailing candidate like Booker, he all of a sudden becomes very relevant. Plus, by combining forces, they increase the pressure on other candidates during the primary, since they've now doubled the amount of campaigning for one candidate.

Seems like a good idea to me.


drummerboy said:


 well, that assumes that picking a running mate that late actually helps in the GE - and I think the data on that is pretty inconclusive at best. Running mates are usually non-factors at that stage of the game. Tim Kaine (ugh) certainly was no help to Hillary, and I doubt choosing Biden was instrumental for Obama either.

 Not sure I agree that Biden didn't help Obama. That said, I don't recall seeing any data-based reporting on this.


Cruz picked Carly Fiorina as a running mate April 27, 2016

Niki Haley endorsed and campaigned for Marco Rubio as early as February 17, 2016 although he did not announce her as a running mate.

Both did it to give their campaigns a boost.


jimmurphy said:

Article today in the NYT about Warren’s lack of appeal to Black voters, similar to Bernie in the last cycle. 


That was not the experiance of those of us campaigning for Warren yesterday in Maplewood.


The Black vote will go for whomever the Dems nominate and in large numbers. However I am not sure about the influence of the Black vote in swing States.

If the nominee is looking for ethnic and geographic balance Castro is a better choice than Booker.

Of course a contest for VP between Mayor Pete and Pence would be super dramatic and very entertaining!


drummerboy said:

The advantage for choosing early is that for a badly trailing candidate like Booker, he all of a sudden becomes very relevant. Plus, by combining forces, they increase the pressure on other candidates during the primary, since they've now doubled the amount of campaigning for one candidate.

Seems like a good idea to me.

I am not against it, it just doesn't seem like a great idea to me. If you are a candidate running in the primaries, and you need to pick a running mate to give your campaign extra momentum that early, you are probably not a very strong candidate to begin with.

Also, you will typically get a bump when you pick a VP. I think it is smarter to do it in the GE when people are actually paying attention, and the bump will be more significant.


As I've said before I hope we still have a broad field at least until Super Tuesday. I would love to see six candidates (at least) on the ballot in those early contests. I would love for it to be the diverse and historic group of people who are running right now.

I don't imagine anyone would start picking a running mate unless they get through those earliest elections and see how they are doing and who among their opponents might be a good partner. 


STANV said:

That was not the experiance of those of us campaigning for Warren yesterday in Maplewood.

 Glad to hear that.

While I agree that the AA vote will go for the Dem, the question is whether they’ll do it enthusiastically, as in a large turnout.


jimmurphy said:

STANV said:

That was not the experiance of those of us campaigning for Warren yesterday in Maplewood.

 Glad to hear that.

While I agree that the AA vote will go for the Dem, the question is whether they’ll do it enthusiastically, as in a large turnout.

Precisely. Large turnout means the Democrat wins.


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