Biden's VP Pick
I’m thinking he’s gonna go with Kamala Harris. My choice would be Abrams. I think he’s already decided on who his vp will be.
I’ll confess to knowing very little about Abrams, except that many like her and that she ran a good race last time out in GA.
What is the great appeal?
Tammy Duckworth checks a number of boxes.
And the Republicans would have a hell of a time attacking an Asian-American disabled veteran.
I like the Governor of Michigan mainly because Trump hates her.
The other Tammy is from the swing State of Wisconsin but being gay her candidacy might be too much of a stretch.
My gal, Liz Warren, has many other important roles to play. Her predecessors as Senators from MA, include two who never became President but had enormous influence, Ted Kennedy, in the late 20th Century and Daniel Webster in the first half of the 19th.
Can someone explain the appeal of K. Harris? Yes she is female and AA. I thought her debate performance was pretty bad... just sound-bite anecdotes that applied directly to her. And I think her time as Attorney General cuts both ways. She became Senator in 2016... any notable accomplishments? And I don't consider being tough on Trump idiots as anything particularly challenging or notable.
Red_Barchetta said:
Can someone explain the appeal of K. Harris? Yes she is female and AA.
She's both AAs. Asian American AND African American. That often gets overlooked.
jimmurphy said:
Still no hints from Biden.
Its going to be Amy K. A union of the worst two primary candidates (not counting that Fox News lady). He'll choose Amy K just to be sure that progressives stay home in droves come election day.
I have used this quote before but it's always good to have a reminder:
"It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future"
Yogi Berra
Klinker said:
She's both AAs. Asian American AND African American. That often gets overlooked.
Understood. I've been trying to avoid saying that people think she would be a good VP because of her race.
Red_Barchetta said:
Understood. I've been trying to avoid saying that people think she would be a good VP because of her race.
I assume you mean she would be a good pick as a candidate not that her race would help her performance in the Office. If so there is no reason to avoid saying that since it is a principal reason why she is on the short-list.
Biden has won the nomination because of the support of African-Americans. His boost came from the SC Primary. So picking an A-A running mate caters to his base. OTOH African Americans will almost certainly stick with Biden no matter who he picks. According to the latest as reported today in the NY Times he is not as strong as he should be with Hispanics. So maybe that is the way to go.
Then there is the disabled Asian American Senator from Illinois, a Midwestern State.
I think her father makes her a "natural born citizen" despite where she was born.
Tammy Duckworth was born in Bangkok, Thailand, the daughter of Lamai Sompornpairin and Franklin Duckworth. Her father, who died in 2005, was a U.S. Army veteran who traced his family's American roots to the American Revolutionary War.[5] Her mother is Thai, of Chinese descent.[6] Because of her father's work with the United Nations and international companies in refugee, housing, and development programs,[7] the family moved around Southeast Asia. Duckworth became fluent in Thai and Indonesian, in addition to English.[8]
Red_Barchetta said:
Understood. I've been trying to avoid saying that people think she would be a good VP because of her race.
I don't know about that but I do know (anecdotally) that she is SUPER popular with the Indian American community.
STANV said:
According to the latest as reported today in the NY Times he is not as strong as he should be with Hispanics.
That could be said of just about any group. The Times ran an article the day before yesterday about how Biden was polling worse than HRC in every demographic group other than OK Boomers. History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy and the second as farce.
Meanwhile, 538 notes this:
A new survey from Morning Consult
found that former Vice President Joe Biden’s favorability among
Democratic primary voters went up after he received endorsements from
former President Barack Obama and Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth
Warren — two former primary foes. His overall favorability among
Democratic primary voters ticked up to 78 percent for the week ending on
April 19, 2 points higher than it was the week before. Notably, his
favorability shot up among younger Democrats, including a 5-point
increase among 18-to-29 year olds and a 3-point increase among 30-to-44 year olds.
The youth vote is definitely a potential vulnerability, but it's not given it'll be an actual issue by the time November comes. Meanwhile, the fact that Biden is doing well among "OK Boomers," also known as "the largest portion of the electorate that regularly votes," is encouraging.
PVW said:
The youth vote is definitely a potential vulnerability, but it's not given it'll be an actual issue by the time November comes. Meanwhile, the fact that Biden is doing well among "OK Boomers," also known as "the largest portion of the electorate that regularly votes," is encouraging.
As I mentioned Biden is very strong among African Americans. I believe it was Cory Booker who pointed out that if African Americans had voted for Hillary in 2016 as they did for Barack in 2012 in Michigan, Wisconsin and PA, she would now be President.
STANV said:
As I mentioned Biden is very strong among African Americans. I believe it was Cory Booker who pointed out that if African Americans had voted for Hillary in 2016 as they did for Barack in 2012 in Michigan, Wisconsin and PA, she would now be President.
Clinton polled very well with African Americans. I don't think any polling has suggested that African Americans will turn out for Biden in the same numbers they turned out for the first black President.
We all know you hate the nominee and seemingly any other centrist, Klinker.
A viable 3rd party candidate and a brokered convention won’t happen either.
If you accept that as reality, what do you think is the best course to beat Trump?
If you don’t, do tell your alternative.
1 Warren
2.Harris
3 Klobuchar
I think if a woman throws her hat in the ring, campaigns, raises money, debates, and does town halls, developing a good following, she deserves a shot.
That said, I have been a fan of Whitmer since she was elected. She said in a recent interview that she was not going to be the VP pick. As well Biden was flat out asked if it would be someone who ran and he indicated that it would.
I was disappointed when Obama chose Biden over Hillary and I know many women felt disappointed but, , he made her Secretary of State, and I was satisfied. I would feel just as disappointed if Biden plucked someone out of the atmosphere, that no one had supported.
Warren would be a peace offering to Progressives. And I think MOL would approve.
And I think it's going to be Warren.
jimmurphy said:
I don’t, but I hope you are right Morganna.
In a recent Maddow interview when asked if she would consider the spot she said "Yes!" with the broadest possible smile, catching Rachel off guard. She continued to smile through the interview, like someone who is dying to tell you a secret.
jimmurphy said:
We all know you hate the nominee and seemingly any other centrist, Klinker.
A viable 3rd party candidate and a brokered convention won’t happen either.
If you accept that as reality, what do you think is the best course to beat Trump?
Time travel?
Barring that, a serious progressive as VP to nail down the Democratic wing of the party. If Biden does that and a 100 other flips of the coin come up heads, he might win. If he chooses Amy K or another creature of the right, they may as well not hold the election.
jimmurphy said:
We all know you hate the nominee and seemingly any other centrist, Klinker.
Drilling down a little, this just isn't true. Politically, I wouldn't have been thrilled to see a right wing Democrat (what you incorrectly call a "centrist") get the nomination but I would have enthusiastically supported them in the General because of.... you know.... Trump.
The two things I HATE about Biden don't have anything to do with his politics. The first one is his inability to keep his hands to himself. People who cannot or will not respect other people's personal autonomy are a bugaboo for me and I found this troubling even before the rape allegation came out. The second and, given people's apparent lack of concern about the first, the more important thing I HATE about Biden is the fact that he probably can't beat Trump. Nothing I have seen since the start of the primaries has caused me to waiver from my steadfast belief that he is too old, too conservative and just too damn stupid.
So please, don't mischaracterize my position.
And yet - he's the nominee. In the words of Sarah Silverman - "You're being ridiculous".
I just hope he doesn't pick Klobachar. Hillary's pick was pretty bad looking back - it was way too safe.
Obama's pick was perfect and as I recall, that guy served for 8 years in that role.
Klinker dude, you are just for some reason too emotional about this. Relax. And then help Biden beat satan and his worshippers.
Klinker said:
The two things I HATE about Biden don't have anything to do with his politics. The first one is his inability to keep his hands to himself. People who cannot or will not respect other people's personal autonomy are a bugaboo for me and I found this troubling even before the rape allegation came out. The second and, given people's apparent lack of concern about the first, the more important thing I HATE about Biden is the fact that he probably can't beat Trump. Nothing I have seen since the start of the primaries has caused me to waiver from my steadfast belief that he is too old, too conservative and just too damn stupid.
So please, don't mischaracterize my position.
It appears to me that you believe Biden can't beat Trump because you don't like Biden and think that many others feel about him the way you do.
So please describe the demographic that would have voted for Buttigieg or Warren or Sanders or Booker or anyone other than Biden who will now vote for Trump or stay home.
If it's Harris, she didn't tip her hand in this morning's interview with Joy Reid.. She said she had no idea if she was being vetted so there's that.
I'm still betting on Warren.
Morganna said:
If it's Harris, she didn't tip her hand in this morning's interview with Joy Reid.. She said she had no idea if she was being vetted so there's that.
I'm still betting on Warren.
I agree, Liz is exhibiting symptoms of uncontrollable excitement....
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Here's the ten candidates that CNN pointed out - I do think it will be one of them.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/joe-biden-vp-vice-president-pick/index.html
Who is you preference? Or your top three?
I'm feeling Stacey Abrams as my top choice with Warren as my second choice. I also like Tammy Duckworth in the mix. I wish I like Harris and Klobachar more - but I definitely like the others more.